Transmission Schematic needed

[haugy]

Well I'm very worried about the ticking noise my tranny makes at idle speed. I can't lock it down and track it.

So I'm going to pull my prop shaft to see if it still does it with no load, and no friction from the shaft to eliminate bent shaft or seals failing.

If it still ticks, I'm going to pull the tranny and go through it. A blown tranny on the lake can cause enough damage to create a leak, and I can't have that.


Does anyone know where to get or have a schematic of a 1.1 PCM transmission?

[csuggs]

Haugy. If you pm me your email address I can send you a .pdf of the manual. The ticking noise is most likely your flex plate - warning signs of an pending failure. (been there, done that - easy fix)
Clint

[csuggs]

Mine was ticking at idle and I knew it was the flex plate but was trying to get by until season's end. One day it broke as soon as I tried to pull my son on the wakeboard . . . . had to be towed back to the dock.

When you pull the tranny, it's a good time to check other items . . . I was missing a couple of teeth on the flywheel so I had it re-ringed at the local machine shop. Also I went ahead and installed a new rear main seal because I had a "slight" drip. Pictures show what happens to a flex plate that gets neglected - the springs blew apart in the plate!

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New flex plate from Discount Inboard Marine www.skidim.com
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[haugy]

AWESOME! Thanks PM coming.

Did you have the same ticking at idle only? Or did it do it constantly? Once I give mine some gas it stops. But it's hard to isolate exactly where it's coming from by sound.

Where did you get your new flex plate from?

[csuggs]

The ticking sound is only there at idle. As a matter of fact, the manual specifically addresses this on page 265. I feel sure the damper plate is what you need. I got mine from Discount Inboard Marine $199 - http://www.skidim.com/prodinfo.asp?number=R140001

Let me know if you have questions!

[haugy]

Thanks for the manual man!!! I printed that sucker down, and I'm putting into a binder in plastic sheets this weekend. I'll be busy. But that will add to my shop manuals, and will be a great help.


Thanks for the info, I'll check my plate. It sounds logical as I can't find anything else in the world that would cause the ticking. Did yours pick up speed if you barely got on the throttle? All the way until about 1500rpm?

And woohoo my flexplate is only $142!!! Finally the 454 redeems itself. :D

[lively]

you guys must love spending money on them dampner plates ... go to ebay i just paid 96.00 with10.00 shipped to the door .. skidim is great but i think (marine)pricing is way over elevated with there overhead .... just my 2 cents ... springs let go in mine caused the same ticker

[csuggs]

Everything "marine" is overpriced. Too many times I've bought parts that were less money and turned out being wrong. Skidim isn't the cheapest place to buy, but I always get the right parts and they stand behind them. My 2 cents.

[Jetlink]

Everything "marine" is overpriced. Too many times I've bought parts that were less money and turned out being wrong. Skidim isn't the cheapest place to buy, but I always get the right parts and they stand behind them. My 2 cents.You think that is bad...try aviation parts. A light bulb can run me anywhere from $20-$40 over what the same bulb would run in an auto parts store. Same thing for switches... Had to replace the spark plugs on the amphib in annual, $260 for the set of 8 plugs. But at least I can take some comfort in knowing that those parts will work and not fail me when I need them most. I take the same approach with the boat. Toys cost money and I would rather pay the money up front to better enjoy what little free time I have when playing.

[csuggs]

And woohoo my flexplate is only $142!!! Finally the 454 redeems itself. :D

Yay! More $ for gas!

Last year I actually ordered a flex plate from another supplier to save some money. He said he knew what I needed and sold me the part. I got the part and when I opened it I realized it wasn't the same - it was shaped different. But I tried it anyway. The bolt holes lined-up ok but the plate was too large. So I called the guy and said I needed to cut the plate down to size - that was normal procedure. I don't think so . . . . I sent the part back and ordered the right one from skidim.

[Hagman]

Haugy. If you pm me your email address I can send you a .pdf of the manual. The ticking noise is most likely your flex plate - warning signs of an pending failure. (been there, done that - easy fix)
ClintHi Clint Could you please send me that PDF also. I’d like to know waits inside of the trany. [email protected] Thanks

[haugy]

Yay! More $ for gas!

Ha ha ha ha.........................so true.

[csuggs]

Hi Clint Could you please send me that PDF also. I’d like to know waits inside of the trany. [email protected] Thanks

Email sent this morning - Monday.

[haugy]

Bringing this back up to the top as I'm about to pull the tranny off. Anything I should look for on the flex plate to know it's toast?

It seems wierd that it would go out with only 280hrs on the boat. Would hard shifts from forward to reverse cause this? I know the previous owners, and they weren't the smoothest with docking.

[Okie Boarder]

This may be on my list next year. Mine has a slight noise that comes and goes...not consistent yet. I need to get a manual when the time comes, as well. Be sure to post up how the repair goes.

[Salty87]

Bringing this back up to the top as I'm about to pull the tranny off. Anything I should look for on the flex plate to know it's toast?

It seems wierd that it would go out with only 280hrs on the boat. Would hard shifts from forward to reverse cause this? I know the previous owners, and they weren't the smoothest with docking.

no expert but i think corrosion does the springs in. age combined with moisture makes a mess of them after awhile. the wetter the bilge, the more rust. slapping her into gear at high rpm's ain't gonna help. the springs will look like those chewable necklace candies. you don't want to see any cracked, broken or missing.

if it's the original plate i'd swap it out and save yourself from the trouble later unless it isn't a problem. i had to take a road trip to pull my engine.

[csuggs]

Haugy, my bet is that once you remove the transmission and bell housing the problem will be obvious. I feel certain that it's the flex plate. As someone said, even if it doesn't look "bad" ( which it will), change it while you have the tranny out. FYI - a new transmission from PCM only has a warranty if you install a new flex plate when the new transmission is installed. What does that tell you?

[DAFF]

Well everyting in the diagnosis makes 100% sence to me. Springs at idle vibrate internally due to no load. Goes away with a load. I would go through everything on the buisiness side of the drive line while the trans is out. A fresh rear main seal and fluid change too!!

To me anyone who thinks there trans is too worn for a fliud flush should not be on the water. A change of fliud will only cause issues with trans which are on the last legs anyhow. All my equipment get yearly trans flushes, filter and a inspection of the magnet on the bottom of the pan. Clean fluid and filters is cheap and a great way to save grief in the future. All my years of plowing snow and I have yet to blow a trans.