1987 Saltare

[leetudor]

I just bought an 1987 Supra Saltare and need some engine help. It might be missing some pieces and need some pictures or diagrams of what it should look like. Trying to upload some pictures but says file is too large.

[leetudor]

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[chris young]

Wow, I don't want to be a downer but I hope you got it cheap. Looking at the state of dis-assembly, I'd say you've got a bit of a project on your hands. Firstly before you even consider putting it back together, you need to know why it was taken apart. Do you know the story?

To answer your question though, from what I can see, you're missing the thermostat housing and hoses, push rods for both sides, distributor and wiring, ignition coil, and of course all the associated gaskets. Putting it all back together isn't that big a job if you know what you're doing, it's just nuts and bolts. What I'd be more concerned about is how long it's been sitting open. You've got a bunch of mating surfaces that have been exposed for all the time it's been sitting like that, and they'll all need to be properly cleaned before it goes back together.

There are guys on this forum who know much more about motors than I do, so you will get good advice here.

Good luck.

[wotan2525]

You'll be throwing good money after bad if you start bolting that engine back together. It's obviously got problems and needs a complete rebuild -- and I'd definitely have the block magnafluxed (checked for cracks) and have the heads gone through. It's not impossible for you to DIY a good portion of this but step 1 is going to be to yank it out of the boat and start disassembly.

The good news is that it's a 454 and stock parts are relatively cheap.

[mr.jrc]

I believe this saltare was on CL, advertised as working great over the summer, but was not winterized at the end of the season, cracking the exhaust manifolds, perhaps more.

Full rebuild....
Best of luck, you're at the right place for help.

[leetudor]

I am going to put in a rebuilt 454 as this one does have a cracked block. The problem is I am not sure where some of the brackets are supposed to be mounted as some are removed. That is why I would like a picture or diagram of what goes where.

[Moor]

glad to hear your replacing the engine. That one has seen better days. Even if the block wasnt cracked, it looks like its been sitting apart so long that the cylinder walls are probably rusted and will never seal again properly with out a rebuild. I can take a few pics of the accessory brackets on my 454 next time im at my boat if no one can provide them.

[leetudor]

Went to pick up my donor 454 today and hope to pull mine out this weekend. Next they will both go to the machine shop for a total rebuild. Lucky me that both blocks have the same casting numbers.

[leetudor]

So when I get the engine back from the machine shop do I paint it PCM silver, black or Chevy Orange?

[cadunkle]

Sounds like you got a good plan. I would do Dark Ford Blue with black valve covers and brackets. :p Failing that I'd probably do silver engine and black valve covers/brackets/pulleys. There's actually something to be said for a light colored engine and visibility in a bilge if you're in a pinch and working on something. Also doesn't show scratches or chips as easily, at least until they rust.

[leetudor]

I don't think I going Ford paint on a Chevy engine, might cause the engine to run bad. :lol:

[leetudor]

Engine coming out.

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Engine out

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[cadunkle]

Oh, milky. Had a 350 do that to me once in the middle of the busy shipping channel in the city. Not fun when it was losing power, went wide open and headed for shore until power and RPM slowly dropped and died with the throttle pinned. Engine was totally covered in thick milkshake coming out of every possible place to leak and all over the bilge. Then paddle hard to shore while moving with the tide (away from my trailer). Missed the first ramp but made the next, hitchhike about 40 miles up river to my truck and raced back in time to miss the tide and wait another 4 hours until water was deep enough. Got it home right before the sun came up, in time to get cleaned up and be at work on time. :cry: That was a long day. Pulled a 350 out of a Trans Am for $100 and dropped it in, back on the water the following weekend. Wish I still had that sort of energy. :D

[leetudor]

Previous owner did not know you had to winterize boats left outside.

[suprasaltareaud]

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Hope this helps

[suprasaltareaud]

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[leetudor]

Thanks. My engines are still at the machine shop waiting on the rebuild. I hope to get them back next week.

[leetudor]

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Hope my engine builder is at work today!

[Moor]

I don't think I going Ford paint on a Chevy engine, might cause the engine to run bad. :lol:

Wrong. it won't run at all with ford paint :lol:

[leetudor]

Just picked up the engine today.

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[leetudor]

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[mkdsmith]

If you need any parts for your boat let me know, I have an 87 saltare that I am parting out. Have all the drive train (you don't need motor and mine is blown) new shaft, tranny,prop....all mechanical. My lift broke and it beat the hell out of it so its been in the yard for a couple years now.

[leetudor]

Took all of the interior our to get new vinyl. Going to install new carpet also.

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[Smitty40s]

Mkdsmith do you still have some parts off the saltare I need the exhaust flanges that screw on the outside of the boat and hold the flaps

[wotan2525]

Mkdsmith do you still have some parts off the saltare I need the exhaust flanges that screw on the outside of the boat and hold the flaps

These boats don't have flaps, they have Suprertrapps

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[Smitty40s]

My 1990 saltare has flaps my other supra has supertrapps

[leetudor]

I need some pictures of a PCM 454 front shot, like of the Impeller housing bracket and alternator bracket where they mount to the engine.

[leetudor]

So, I have to rebuild the motor box base also. Why does the base have a lip or did the PO just make it this way? I am thinking about just using an 2X6.

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[Okie Boarder]

Mine had a lip, too. I rebuilt it the same way and didn't really question why.

[Ptownkid]

It provides a more stable surface for the doghouse lid to rest on. The one pieces fiberglass lids aren't exactly perfectly shaped. Also gave them a place to tuck the carpet edge under to hide it.

[leetudor]

so does the engine cover go down and rest on the inner lip?

[Jetlink]

so does the engine cover go down and rest on the inner lip?

It should.

[TitanTn]

So have you tested the stringers? It'd be a shame to put it all back together to just tear it apart again.

[leetudor]

The motor mounts are tight and not spinning.

[leetudor]

While the engine is out I thought I would replace the carpet and buff the exterior.

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[leetudor]

Installed some carpet today.

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[leetudor]

Since we had some rain today went ahead and installed the engine and started hooking stuff back up. Been working on the swim platform also.

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[TitanTn]

Looking great! You're on the home stretch now!

[devovino]

I like that swim step! Teak?

[leetudor]

I like that swim step! Teak?

Yes it is teak.

[leetudor]

Well Sunday I was finally able to take her out on a test run and it all worked!

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[TitanTn]

Congrats! Great feeling isn't it? Keep showing us some more pics as you get it put back together. And at the very least, get your girl a seat!

[leetudor]

Felt very good! It has been a long four months. Here is a little video, my son was listening to his phone as the radio has no speakers yet.


https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LeeTudor/posts/gcngwKjzsHB?pid=6184531862028452562&oid=112467063784058302907

[TitanTn]

Well, I still say you need to get your girl a seat and I'll add that you need to at least get your son some headphones! :D

[leetudor]

New interior and speakers are going back in of Friday. I did not want to put the interior in until I knew it was going to run.

[leetudor]

So I am trying to figure this motor box thing out. I took the old frame base and used it for a template and made a new one, I cannot get the hinge and box to work. When I bought the box they were separated already.

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[Jetlink]

Flip the hinge around so the pivot point is at the rear of the doghouse base, not on the inside front edge.

[leetudor]

How will the doghouse flip up with it resting on the inner lip when the outer lip is taller in the rear?

[Jetlink]

Sounds like you have the hinge installed in the wrong spot then.

[Salty87]

Sounds like you have the hinge installed in the wrong spot then.

Yes, with the doghouse resting on the lip the hinge should be just a bit above the top of the base. 'Factory' has a piece of vinyl to hide it from view.

Always wanted to switch to gas shocks. Damn hinge rips out of the base over time.

[leetudor]

Upon further review, the hinge is reversed and moved to the original location that can be seen. Why the upholstery shop did not use the holes that are clearly visible under the new vinyl is unknown to me.


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[leetudor]

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Made some tower speakers today.

[middlegriff1]

Do those clamps swivel?

[leetudor]

Yes they do. " The enclosures were designed with a nine-degree axis rotation in either direction, allowing the speaker cans to be aimed in the most desirable location to deliver maximum sound quality."

[middlegriff1]

Awesome, thanks!

[leetudor]

Having an issue with the motor box to fit with this crazy pylon setup. Is the pylon supposed to have this much rake to it?

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[suprasaltareaud]

Yeah it looks right. My motor cover just touches the pylon as it closes and then sits just off it closed. It is very tight. It looks like a huge slant but with the front seat in and motor box down it looks a little less full on.

[suprasaltareaud]

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I will try to find a side on shot with cover up and down.

[leetudor]

Installed some LED lights today.

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[suprasaltareaud]

Not sure if that's a night club or your boat. Such a simple enhancement with a huge benefit. Looks awesome.

[suprasaltareaud]

Did u take the pylon out permanently?

[leetudor]

Did u take the pylon out permanently?

Well, it is out because I cannot get it to fit with the engine box installed. To me the angle of the pylon is raked back too far for the engine box to fit far enough forward to cover all of the floor opening.

[TitanTn]

Well, it is out because I cannot get it to fit with the engine box installed. To me the angle of the pylon is raked back too far for the engine box to fit far enough forward to cover all of the floor opening.

It's close, but mine covers all of the opening with the stock pylon. I wonder if your doghouse base has been modified.

[leetudor]

It's close, but mine covers all of the opening with the stock pylon. I wonder if your doghouse base has been modified.

I had to make the base as the one that came with the boat was falling apart. It had been made out of maple it looked like.

[suprasaltareaud]

You've got a tower and the ski rope loop/eyelet on the back so I suppose you don't need the pylon anyway.

[suprasaltareaud]

I'm working on the boat this week so I can take photos and measurements if you like.

[leetudor]

I'm working on the boat this week so I can take photos and measurements if you like.

That would be awesome!

[suprasaltareaud]

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Ski pole is at the same angle as the back of the drivers seat. The motor box touches the pole at the floor and when I open the motor cover the lid just touches up against the pole.

Hope these pics help.

Cheers

Jason

[TitanTn]

That's pretty much how mine is. My base is not attached to the floor, so I just slid the base back before lifting the cover.

[leetudor]

Thanks. I guess I will just carpet the engine box base, install the pylon and leave the screws out so I can also move the base around to open and close the box.

[suprasaltareaud]

No problem. The carpet on the box base against the carpet on the floor stops the box moving around anyway. I made a bracket/stopper (piece of wood) on the inside of the engine box base so it can't slide unless I turn it. Just an extra precaution.