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markthered
05-10-2016, 11:39 AM
Check out the professionally machined version of the ghetto gate (I think some of you on here should have patented your work...). And check out the Delta Universal. Wanted to share to help some of you get additional ideas on your setups you've been crafting.

http://www.missionboatgear.com/collections/surfside-panels

http://www.missionboatgear.com/collections/surfside-panels

MDVols
05-10-2016, 06:16 PM
The only downfall is it is still $400 more than my skateboard ramps.

markthered
05-10-2016, 08:58 PM
Yes, definitely a downfall. For what it's worth, I ordered a 1080 skateboard ramp and velcro today!

NorCalPR
05-10-2016, 09:05 PM
Hm, seems like anything will work to delay the convergence

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plav77
05-13-2016, 12:43 PM
The only downfall is it is still $400 more than my skateboard ramps.

Are you using 1 ramp or 2 ramps together?

Zim
05-14-2016, 07:13 AM
I made a knock off of the Delta. Will be testing today. 17127

markthered
05-14-2016, 08:29 AM
Awesome, that didn't take long! I'd love to see how it performs. If it performs as well as the 1080 ramps, then I think it might be the winner. Smaller, lighter, suction cups versus applying velcro strips to boat. Looking forward to before and after photos!

Just to keep the comparisons equal, what did your homemade version run in parts?

Zim
05-14-2016, 06:53 PM
Cost me about 50 bucks total. I bought a big piece of HDPE 3/4" thick. If I did it again I'd probably just go to wal mart and buy a cheap cutting board. No real need for the thick HDPE stuff.

Here's a before/after for the goofy wave. I didn't want to switch the bags to list each side, takes too long. So goofy before/after, and then a pic of the regular wave fully weighted with the SuckGate.

Only me in the boat. 2006 Supra 20V. 750lb bags in each locker. about 5-600lbs of weight up in the bow/ski locker.

Listed:

http://i.imgur.com/dprUNyBh.jpg


Even weight with SUCKgate

http://i.imgur.com/r1TuBaVh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/5nYEVGjh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/wAJ38ahh.jpg

markthered
05-14-2016, 08:05 PM
Wow, if I'm understanding your photos, the SUCKGate made a huge improvement. Impressive! Can you provide a parts list? I'm interested in trying something similar...

Zim
05-14-2016, 08:33 PM
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160514/328b36f528ead3b5f3193f6a160cddb5.jpg

I marked everything I bought for this. Didn't use it all, but that's what I got. Also you'll need the handle on demand from amazon and a cutting board.

plav77
05-15-2016, 01:19 PM
Wow sweet! I ordered my Handle on Demand and going to get my parts from Home Depot today!
What are the dimensions (Length and Width) of your HDPE?

Zim
05-15-2016, 02:43 PM
It's about 9x5.5".

I've got more pictures over here: http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=70442&page=9

plav77
05-16-2016, 06:39 PM
Hear it is!!! I'm going out tomorrow to test it out and will post some videos.
I had to remove the decals off the back of my boat so I it would work with the suction cups.
My wake gate works extremely good so I used the same angle.
Hope it works so I now have one gate for both sides
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plav77
05-18-2016, 11:35 AM
I got out yesterday and tested my suc gate with the following setup.

Direct Drive
400lb front locker
400lb back locker
750lb either side of engine
11 MPH

I had the top of the suc gate 2 inches out of the water so when I was moving it was under.
It shaped the wake, just wish my wave had more push.
Any thoughts on how to get the push better? My ski platform is really digging in, wonder if it's causing any issues.

Here is a video of me and my son on both sides of the wave.
https://youtu.be/CVZvddKytsU

Hard to tell how high the wave is with the angle of the gopro.

Zim
05-18-2016, 12:52 PM
I got out yesterday and tested my suc gate with the following setup.

Direct Drive
400lb front locker
400lb back locker
750lb either side of engine
11 MPH

I had the top of the suc gate 2 inches out of the water so when I was moving it was under.
It shaped the wake, just wish my wave had more push.
Any thoughts on how to get the push better? My ski platform is really digging in, wonder if it's causing any issues.

Here is a video of me and my son on both sides of the wave.
https://youtu.be/CVZvddKytsU

Hard to tell how high the wave is with the angle of the gopro.

Push comes with height of the wave. A couple ways to get more height: More weight in rear, wakeplate angled up. Just for testing purposes, try putting a 750lb bag on your rear seat, and the other 750 on the floor behind the engine and see what happens. If that works, just move some people to the front of the boat to help with length.

I have a V-drive, so I've got the engine weight behind mine with another 1500 in ballast on either side of it. I just think you need more weight back there being a DD.

Do you have a wakeplate?

NorCalPR
05-18-2016, 01:10 PM
You can also take the weight of the locker completely. Weight up front lengthenes the pocket but removes push and height.

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plav77
05-19-2016, 12:55 PM
Thanks guys. I will try that out and give an update. Yes I'm using a SUCKgate

torch
06-14-2016, 12:33 AM
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Just finished my "suck gate". Will try it out this weekend and post photos of results.

plav77
06-16-2016, 12:48 AM
This is my latest version! Will post my results once I get it tested out
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trayson
06-16-2016, 10:17 PM
This is my latest version! Will post my results once I get it tested out
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I'd do something about that platform though. that thing is going to dig into your wave something terrible.

torch
06-18-2016, 07:00 PM
Well my suck gate worked great....until it fell off after a few passes. After that it just kept falling off. The idea works great but need more sucking power!

plav77
06-20-2016, 08:53 PM
I'd do something about that platform though. that thing is going to dig into your wave something terrible.

Yes it sure does dig in! It's on my list of projects!

plav77
06-20-2016, 08:55 PM
Well my suck gate worked great....until it fell off after a few passes. After that it just kept falling off. The idea works great but need more sucking power!

I got the Seastow handle and its SUCKS real good! I had the cheaper one and I notice a huge difference in sucking power.

torch
06-21-2016, 12:11 AM
I got the Seastow handle and its SUCKS real good! I had the cheaper one and I notice a huge difference in sucking power.

How is your gate attached to handle? I can't tell from the picture of yours. I'll try the seastow or I found an abaco aluminum handle one that looks stronger than the HOD.

torch
06-21-2016, 10:59 AM
Nevermind, found it on another forum. I ordered the seastow and will make that version. I also ordered the abaco aluminum handle to replace my current HOD design. Now I will have two suckgates and can try both and compare. Also nice if one fails I will have a backup.

torch
06-21-2016, 11:05 AM
Anybody notice a difference if you put the blade on front or back facing when attached to the boat?

plav77
06-21-2016, 11:40 AM
How is your gate attached to handle? I can't tell from the picture of yours. I'll try the seastow or I found an abaco aluminum handle one that looks stronger than the HOD.

You need to take the suction cups off and then screw it in from the inside. It takes 2 people to get the pins out of the handle but it's pretty easy. It's a bit tricky to get the screws in through. I used a drill bit to make the pilot hole then used a ratchet with a drill bit at the end to get the screw in since you can't use a drill. I used a 3 1/2 hole saw and fits perfectly.

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plav77
06-21-2016, 11:44 AM
Anybody notice a difference if you put the blade on front or back facing when attached to the boat?

I have found the further back the blade the better.
Here is a picture of my old suckgate under water all the way to the back.
Nice thing is I can move it closer to the front of the boat if I like to play around with the placement.

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torch
06-21-2016, 12:50 PM
I would think blade in front would push suction cups against boat while blade in back would have a tendency to pull them outward. Maybe not though since yours is working.

plav77
06-22-2016, 02:12 PM
I would think blade in front would push suction cups against boat while blade in back would have a tendency to pull them outward. Maybe not though since yours is working.

The great thing about the design is it can be used either way.
With my blade at the back it's never come off.

trayson
06-24-2016, 02:08 AM
Made mine tonight.

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20160623_210546_zpsznixtpds.jpg

NorCalPR
06-24-2016, 11:48 AM
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160624/c89bbbc5a1d1b1795067925015c49500.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160624/2aa8d2b26c6a18907999a153de85e93f.jpg

Not a suckgate, not a supra, but this is on my (newish) ski brendella. No holes drilled into the transom, one plate does both sides. Installs in a minute or so.

The picture is with my plate that is out 1" and down. 5". Going to try my next size up plate that sticks out 1.75 or so and .75 down.

Once I finalize the plate size, I'm going to build a bracket with a spring loaded plunger, and have it attach the same way to the boat. It's a solid mount that makes for no holes in the boat.

Writeup to follow...

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trayson
06-24-2016, 12:10 PM
Not a suckgate, not a supra, but this is on my (newish) ski brendella. No holes drilled into the transom, one plate does both sides. Installs in a minute or so.

The picture is with my plate that is out 1" and down. 5". Going to try my next size up plate that sticks out 1.75 or so and .75 down.

Once I finalize the plate size, I'm going to build a bracket with a spring loaded plunger, and have it attach the same way to the boat. It's a solid mount that makes for no holes in the boat.

Writeup to follow...

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Cool. looks like a removeable version of my NSS style surf system I did on my Sunsport back in 2014. Nice work.

https://forum.supraboats.com/showthread.php?16402-Trayson-s-DIY-quot-Supra-Surf-System-quot-(SSS)-modeled-after-the-NSS

NorCalPR
06-24-2016, 07:29 PM
Thanks! Total cost was 5 bucks or so. The plastic was all free from work

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torch
06-26-2016, 12:33 AM
Due to the fact my HOD plastic handle worked well but would not hold, I now have the metal handle replacement as well as a seastow handle. Both are far superior to the plastic as far as I can tell. I will use and experiment with both new handles.

My question is everyone seems to go with even weight when running suckgate. Has anybody played with weighting surf side more. Instead of going full on listed like we did pre suckgate maybe just a few hundred pounds different. I would think this would make wake with suckgate even better.

Anyway, I have a week of surfing ahead of me next week so I am looking forward to testing both new handles and different weight scenarios.

korey
06-27-2016, 01:51 PM
I got a chance to play with weight some this weekend with my platform mounted ghetto gate, but ended up right back where I started: 86 Slatare, wake plate jacked down far enough to bend it unevenly, 450lb in the rear locker (centered), 500lb on the floor behind the engine (centered), ~1000lb on the surf side beside the motor box. It's listed pretty hard, and generally a pain in the butt, but the surfing was good! I tried the 500lb in the bow and the rest of the weight centered as far back as possible, and didn't even try to surf it because it looked so weak. I wanted to try and stretch the wave out some with weight up front, but I guess I just need more!

Don't judge my mess of a boat...
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wmUdSEL5E_w/V3FmBgBCzNI/AAAAAAAAD8s/D9cblRGyr6QY1EAl0wh8ijXLoI-7JBQkwCCo/s800/20160626_163302.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-YUxB3xjdJvk/V3FmH3bLI8I/AAAAAAAAD80/yjhrQOSyqEkKwU7GKW_cAQEHPZmrpvcbwCCo/s800/Resized_20160626_162349.jpg

I placed an order for the Mission Boat Gear production "suck gate" that was the origonal topic of this thread as part of the second production wave. They sent an email last night that my group is shipping this week! It's a lot of money for something that many are doing pretty well with a home made <$100 solution - but in the end, I'm getting more and more tired of messing with it, and more interested in just using it. Hopefully it comes before the weekend and I get to find out if it is money well spent, or not.
http://us12.campaign-archive2.com/?u=a9fdbcd03d7fe907c44539a29&id=84d0185762&e=4d9e2d4541

NorCalPR
06-27-2016, 03:27 PM
When I had my comp the surf wave was always the best with the plate UP as high as it could go, not down. If I put it down the wave was terrible.

Although it drove like crap...

So I had it even with the hull of the boat, maybe up a half turn. Cruising speed in semi rough water was about 30 to 35mph before it porpoised.



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korey
06-27-2016, 04:09 PM
Yeah, I'd like to get the time to pull the tab up and re arrange weight and see what else I could do. I'd bet that I could pull the tab up, move some weight forward and extend thew wave some, but probably sacrifice some handling when the boat is not weighted, but maybe gain some top speed. The boat handles pretty awesome with the wake plate down and the bow crammed down into the water, but runs out of speed at about 45-4600 RPM at 39MPH (with no weight) with all of that hull in the water (13x12.5 Acme 209). Not sure I'd like to turn the 1200 hour big block any harder than that anyway!

2500HD
06-27-2016, 08:06 PM
For what it's worth, with my old saltare about for years ago my gate was really shallow angle maybe 14 degrees. wake plate was up just a little from neutral. weight was even and about the same as yours Korey. Out of curiosity, What angle is your gate and how big is the tab?

Moor
06-29-2016, 10:39 AM
I've been following this thread on and off. I'm going to make my own Suck gate, what seems to be the common consensus on the best handle to use? The Seastow, or the metal HOD? Has anyone had the seastow come off during use?

torch
06-30-2016, 12:45 AM
I've been following this thread on and off. I'm going to make my own Suck gate, what seems to be the common consensus on the best handle to use? The Seastow, or the metal HOD? Has anyone had the seastow come off during use?

I started with plastic, great wake but wouldn't hold for long. Today I was able to get out with my upgraded Abaco metal handle. Held great, wife and I surfed a bunch and it never moved and wake was great! I just wrapped up making my seastow handle one tonight. It will get surf trials tomorrow but it seams to have just as much sucking power as the metal. I'm hoping seastow works best as it is all plastic which makes it very light and less chance of damage should it ever come loose. I will update results when I use it.

trayson
07-06-2016, 11:50 AM
I've been following this thread on and off. I'm going to make my own Suck gate, what seems to be the common consensus on the best handle to use? The Seastow, or the metal HOD? Has anyone had the seastow come off during use?

The harbor freight handle is $8 and literally hasn't come off ONCE. it's never budged. even the time I forgot it was on and throttled up to above surf speed.

The only real downside is that the springs inside seem to be rusting.

JmattNC80
07-06-2016, 04:55 PM
Hey guys.....have a Mailbu now, but sold my older 2003 Supra Launch DD to a buddy. Wanted to check in over here and see if any of you guys are using the suck gate on an older DD launch and if you can get it to stick. He's been asking me and I'm curious before wasting time building him one. I know I could try mine on his boat but our schedules vary drastically.

florianh
07-07-2016, 07:10 PM
That works perfectly. using a sucker gate on my Launch DD MY00 and it works just fine.

florianh
07-08-2016, 04:19 PM
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Moor
07-12-2016, 03:49 PM
i ended up buying a metal suction cup handle for $17.88 on amazon, rated for 220lbs vertical holding capacity. i cut up an old wooden shelf that i had lying around, drilled a few holes in the handle, and raided my hardware bins for suitable fasteners. it's not the prettiest, and now that i know it works i may do some refinement on the design and shape. here's my prototype: http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q591/booredmcb/image.jpeg (http://s1165.photobucket.com/user/booredmcb/media/image.jpeg.html)

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q591/booredmcb/photo_2.jpg (http://s1165.photobucket.com/user/booredmcb/media/photo_2.jpg.html)


I have a total of $17.88 invested in it, and i have to say it works surprisingly well! i've been out twice with it for several hours each time, and it never budged an inch. With a 500lb sac in the ski locker, 800lbs on the floor behind the dog house/infront of the rear seats, and a little 300lb sitting on the seat about the cooler in my sunsport, and just me and my buddy aboard, and the wave was bigger, smoother, and fatter than i've ever had it. The boat loves it, because its over 1000lbs less ballast that im not carting around now. overall, it's the best $17.88 and 45mins of my life i've spent in a long time. And to think my surfing buddy was about to drop $500 plus dollars on one for my boat.


i'll check the springs inside the handle periodically for rust, thanks for the heads up Trayson. if i have to buy a new handle every season thats not the end of the world.

Moor
07-12-2016, 03:54 PM
oh, it floats too, so the bungie cord isn't necessary.

plav77
07-12-2016, 04:30 PM
I have a couple extra ones on the Seastow handle kicking around in case anyone doesn't want to diy.
PM me if interested

Broke Pilot
07-13-2016, 11:00 PM
Pm sent...

joel210
07-14-2016, 07:22 PM
What is the angle that works the best for DD boats? I've seen people do 90 Degrees and also 110?

Broke Pilot
07-18-2016, 10:50 PM
All built.. Took about 3 hours, just playing with angles and how I wanted it all screwed together. I'm pleased with version 1. I have enough cutting board left over to build a new blade shape and different angle plates. Tomorrow is the moment of truth, since I still haven't seen one of these on a 2006 Supra SSV. With all the angles on the bottom of the hull it's gonna have to mount pretty high up. Hopefully it grabs the water well!
http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j323/apachedriver/4E7F43C9-B893-416D-8686-FF54C70BE766_zpsgcpfb2yy.jpg (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/apachedriver/media/4E7F43C9-B893-416D-8686-FF54C70BE766_zpsgcpfb2yy.jpg.html)
If anyone needs a cutting board, I found a massive hook up here in Conroe. 15"x22"x.5" board for $15.xx
http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j323/apachedriver/3F03EEE3-4A0A-4382-896D-C925B87C050B_zps15fkxu0v.jpg (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/apachedriver/media/3F03EEE3-4A0A-4382-896D-C925B87C050B_zps15fkxu0v.jpg.html)

sailing01
07-19-2016, 09:49 AM
Guys, I am relatively new to the surfing side of things and have only owned my 2007 21V Launch for about 1-1/2 years and agree that the first thing I saw was the swim platform destroying the wake. I went online and purchased a 8' piece of 4" aluminum wide-flange. I unbolted the platform from the existing factory brackets and cut two pieces of the wide-flange to hard mount directly to the top of the brackets and them remounted the swim platform directly to the top of the wide-flange. All work was done with a saws-all, a 4" sander and a drill and took a couple of hours but it was well worth it and should last forever. Short of replacing the platform this seemed to be my best option and worked out well.

torch
07-19-2016, 10:57 AM
Guys, I am relatively new to the surfing side of things and have only owned my 2007 21V Launch for about 1-1/2 years and agree that the first thing I saw was the swim platform destroying the wake. I went online and purchased a 8' piece of 4" aluminum wide-flange. I unbolted the platform from the existing factory brackets and cut two pieces of the wide-flange to hard mount directly to the top of the brackets and them remounted the swim platform directly to the top of the wide-flange. All work was done with a saws-all, a 4" sander and a drill and took a couple of hours but it was well worth it and should last forever. Short of replacing the platform this seemed to be my best option and worked out well.

Essentially did you just raise the platform higher? How were the results? I have a 05 21v. Using the suck gate getting a great wake but I am sure it would be better with no platform cutting into the water


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Moor
07-19-2016, 12:05 PM
Has anyone experimented with different angle plates yet? I see a lot of people going with an almost straight out, 90-90 degree angle from the side of the boat. i have about a 35 degree angle on mine, and it works well for me. I'm wondering what a steeper angle will do to the shape and height of the wave

sailing01
07-19-2016, 02:43 PM
Yes. This just raised it by 4" and it now barely catches the top of the wake at 10 MPH. I am shopping for my materials now to build a Wake Gate (Shaper) and can't wait to try it out next week.

Broke Pilot
07-19-2016, 09:34 PM
Mine is for sale... It sucked, not in a good way. It doesn't work well on a 24ssv. First problem is it slides all around unless the boat is dry when you put it on, no real solution to that. I tied a rope to it off the front cleat, it kept it from sliding back and from there I moved it all over the side of the boat. High, low, front back, and played with ballast and wake plate at each platoon before I moved it again. I'm tired.. Getting in and out of the boat, surfing, moving the gate.. It was exhausting research for no payoff lol.
The best wave I got was as far back and low as I could put it. The wave was pretty, but it had zero push unless I drained the middle 1200lb bag, but then the pocket got so short and close to the boat it wasn't worth having the gate on.
Only thing I might try is a shallower angle on the plate, but I don't see that helping.
I'm working on pics... Can't seem to get them to upload for some reason tonight.

Moor
07-21-2016, 12:11 PM
Mine is for sale... It sucked, not in a good way. It doesn't work well on a 24ssv. First problem is it slides all around unless the boat is dry when you put it on, no real solution to that. I tied a rope to it off the front cleat, it kept it from sliding back and from there I moved it all over the side of the boat. High, low, front back, and played with ballast and wake plate at each platoon before I moved it again. I'm tired.. Getting in and out of the boat, surfing, moving the gate.. It was exhausting research for no payoff lol.
The best wave I got was as far back and low as I could put it. The wave was pretty, but it had zero push unless I drained the middle 1200lb bag, but then the pocket got so short and close to the boat it wasn't worth having the gate on.
Only thing I might try is a shallower angle on the plate, but I don't see that helping.
I'm working on pics... Can't seem to get them to upload for some reason tonight.

i think the shallower angle might work better. i see people using a steep angle and getting mixed results. I'm having good results with about 35 degree of angle off the boat hull, but im also in an old direct drive sunsport.

MDVols
07-27-2016, 09:49 AM
Had to take the waves off the side of the boat to suck it on but mine works great and never even budged with multiple people surfing for over an hour.
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NorCalPR
07-29-2016, 01:34 PM
Tweaked my nss plate some more. Works great. The ability to fine tune the wave with a slightly different plate is awesome.

Ended up with 2" out, .875" down. This made for a long pocket, that has all the push.

Pic is with 1200 lbs around the doghouse, 4 people, 10.5mph and a relatively full tank of gas. 96 ski brendella pro comp

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160729/751d17d8602d2c2eb9fe29b07e621aec.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160729/6329ad65d4edc146c778894d8f24cd5b.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160729/78e3c487a842af7f2ac47e19324873c6.jpg

Time to machibe the aluminum bracket with a spring loaded plunger

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dbatech99
08-14-2016, 07:36 AM
Does anyone have a solution for a launch 242 or Sunsport 242? I'd like to try something out on mine, but the hull back where it attaches looks like a challenge.

kvand347
08-14-2016, 10:21 AM
Does anyone want to build me one for my '93 Sunsport? If so, how much? Looks cheap to build...what's your time worth?

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MJHKnox
08-15-2016, 09:04 PM
Does anyone want to build me one for my '93 Sunsport? If so, how much? Looks cheap to build...what's your time worth?

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Several sites out there have them for just over $200.

kvand347
08-15-2016, 09:42 PM
Thanks! I got a pm'd a lead on one close to me. Want to test it before I drop $200 on nothing but a headache.

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