2005 24SSV surf ballast set up

[JordanCarr20]

I’m sure I am beating a dead horse here but I recently purchased a 2005 Supra 24ssv GG. It has upgraded pumps and bags from wakemakers. 750 in each rear locker and 1180 up front. I will fill the front full and surf side full plus have human ballast on the surf side, I am still getting some prop wash that I can only get cleaned up by constantly turning in to the surf side. I have messed with the wake plate keeping it all the way up also running it at about 25%. Speed wise I’m anywhere from 10.2-11. Anyone have any tips on how to get a slightly taller cleaner wave? I have heard these boats like a lot of weight in the bow to keep it clean back there which I know you sacrifice height on the wave. What is everyone running for set up. Really trying to get this thing dialed a little bit better. Thanks!

[mback28]

I have an 05 21V and I through a pretty decent size wave, with length behind here and I am using 1100 in both rear lockers. 1100 in the center ballast. And finally a wake shaper, the wakeshaper pro 2 by liquid force. The wake shaper change the shape and curl of the wave dramatically. I would suggest going with the wakeshaper pro 2. After lots of time spent reading forums and reviews it seemed to be the best bang for your buck.


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[JordanCarr20]

Thanks for the advice! I have been looking at the mission delta 2. With the shaper I was hoping to be able to load equally in the rear and just switch the device side to side.

[mback28]

That is what I do. Like I said with the 1100’s in the rear lockers and then the shaper. It’s too easy. And if need be just have passengers move around to get that ideal wake


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[JordanCarr20]

Yeah so I checked out the bags in the rear which I thought were the 750s, after converting the serial number on the bag they are the 1100s. Sounds like I need to invest in the shaper. Do you fill all three bags full with the shaper? Or are you still loading one side? Thanks again!

[mback28]

Due to the fact that the 21V lockers are smaller and in general a smaller boat I go 3/4 full on both rear lockers and full on the front bag. It works great for my 05. Hope this helps


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[MJHKnox]

Yeah so I checked out the bags in the rear which I thought were the 750s, after converting the serial number on the bag they are the 1100s. Sounds like I need to invest in the shaper. Do you fill all three bags full with the shaper? Or are you still loading one side? Thanks again!

You can load up all three bags and install a wake shaper. With your passengers, I would put more people on the surf side.

[MJHKnox]

I’m sure I am beating a dead horse here but I recently purchased a 2005 Supra 24ssv GG. It has upgraded pumps and bags from wakemakers. 750 in each rear locker and 1180 up front. I will fill the front full and surf side full plus have human ballast on the surf side, I am still getting some prop wash that I can only get cleaned up by constantly turning in to the surf side. I have messed with the wake plate keeping it all the way up also running it at about 25%. Speed wise I’m anywhere from 10.2-11. Anyone have any tips on how to get a slightly taller cleaner wave? I have heard these boats like a lot of weight in the bow to keep it clean back there which I know you sacrifice height on the wave. What is everyone running for set up. Really trying to get this thing dialed a little bit better. Thanks!

The 24 can take a lot of weight and will produce some good results. Pitch, Roll, and Displacement are the three keys. For Displacement, it's easy, more weight, bigger wake. Most people that are into a lot of surfing will also look into a prop replacement. You might loose a few MPH on the top end, but the gain on the take-off (lower-end) is well worth it. Plus, the smaller motors do not have to run at such high RPMs.

As for pitch and roll, if you have a consistent crew on the boat, you can get this dialed in each time. If your crew changes, this is harder to get the same results each time. One change in pitch/roll will affect the wake. One day it's great, the next you are scratching your head and wondering where all the push went to. Thus you have to adjust people from left/right and front/back. If you have a smaller crew, you might have to use extra bags or lead - easy to move around

[Turbinesurgeon]

I have a new to me 2006 24V. I was wondering what speed do you guys surf at? Here is me configuration
1. Both lockers 1100 lb bags filled
2. forward locker 1180 filled
3. 400lb lead just in front of rear lockers
4. Wake shaper suctioned at the rear.
The wave starts to form at 10.7 MPH to 11.0 and that is the only speed we have been able to go ropeless. The wave at that speed doesn't seem very firm. Any ideas?

[mikebu]

I have a new to me 2006 24V. I was wondering what speed do you guys surf at? Here is me configuration
1. Both lockers 1100 lb bags filled
2. forward locker 1180 filled
3. 400lb lead just in front of rear lockers
4. Wake shaper suctioned at the rear.
The wave starts to form at 10.7 MPH to 11.0 and that is the only speed we have been able to go ropeless. The wave at that speed doesn't seem very firm. Any ideas?

What happens when you only fill the front bag halfway? On my boat which is smaller then yours, a 07 21v, I needed to add more rear weight to offset my 1180 front sac. I ended up running this:

Rear lockers each have 650 lb bag
Rear seat has a 650 lb sac
Rear Floor has 3 150 lb sacs
Front locker has a 1180 sac

In general more front weight gives you more wave length, more rear weight gives you more height or push.

When I was running my original swim platform I would put the wake plate 3/4 up to clean up the wave a bit. With I replaced the swim platform with the new Supra Surfing swim platform I put the wake plate all the way up because the swim platform isn't digging into the wake anymore. Old platform had a lip on it and was a bit smaller. Initially I didn't think the new surfing swim platform improved the wave that much. But after moving the wake plate all the way up I do see a nice improvement in the wave.

[Turbinesurgeon]

What happens when you only fill the front bag halfway? On my boat which is smaller then yours, a 07 21v, I needed to add more rear weight to offset my 1180 front sac. I ended up running this:

Rear lockers each have 650 lb bag
Rear seat has a 650 lb sac
Rear Floor has 3 150 lb sacs
Front locker has a 1180 sac

In general more front weight gives you more wave length, more rear weight gives you more height or push.

When I was running my original swim platform I would put the wake plate 3/4 up to clean up the wave a bit. With I replaced the swim platform with the new Supra Surfing swim platform I put the wake plate all the way up because the swim platform isn't digging into the wake anymore. Old platform had a lip on it and was a bit smaller. Initially I didn't think the new surfing swim platform improved the wave that much. But after moving the wake plate all the way up I do see a nice improvement in the wave.

Great tips. Thanks.

I added an extra 500lbs just in front of the rear lockers. Filled the front bag halfway but the front of the boat was really high and it didn’t accelerate well. I ended up filling the front bag all the way and that seemed to work very well. Speed was 11.0 mph

I really wonder about the swim platform. I’ve heard of people adding a new style platform but I haven’t really seen what it’s doing to the wave.Are you saying that it made a noticeable improvement to your surf wave?

[mikebu]

Good to hear...

The old swim platform had a lip under it that would dig into the Wake. It also had a metal rub rail going around the outside that the dog would gets it's paws trapped in between the platform and the rail. I don't know the physics but the wave seemed a bit bigger and cleaner with the new platform. The new platform is also easier to get up and onto. It's not entirely worth the $1000 but I like it.

I also replaced my rear sacks with the Wakemaker Custom sized bags for my boat and really like them. I was using stock 21V front bags in the rear that would run a bit under the seats so they wouldn't fill up entirely. The new bags fill up my lockers to give me more weight then the old bags and plug into the stock plumbing. This lets me lose some extra bags I would put on the floor.

Now does anyone have tips on cleaning up the goofy side wave? It pales in comparison to the regular side wave which is so clean...

[MJHKnox]

I really wonder about the swim platform. I’ve heard of people adding a new style platform but I haven’t really seen what it’s doing to the wave.Are you saying that it made a noticeable improvement to your surf wave?

I have a 2007 Supra 22 with the newer swim platform - absolutely makes a difference.

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[Turbinesurgeon]

I have a 2007 Supra 22 with the newer swim platform - absolutely makes a difference.

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Great!! Did you order the platform direct from Skiers Choice?

[MJHKnox]

Great!! Did you order the platform direct from Skiers Choice?

Yes. Ordered through my local dealer. They color match it to your boat. There are a few options you can buy, SS trim rail, seadek pad, etc. Used the same brackets. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190805/0544aa426e9d2e5c840a5c5d75b79f25.jpgI think mine was $1000-1100


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[MJHKnox]

There are also some threads about people making them, HDPE or wood, then glassed.

There was a pattern posted on here or the Moomba site.


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[Turbinesurgeon]

It took me all summer but I found a really good combination to make good surf wave behind the 24v

It seems it likes to be listed just a little with the wake shaper.

I fill the left rear locker 1100# and only fill the right one to about 3/4.
Front bag fill all the way 1180#.
150# lead in the nose.
100# lead in the right rear locker just in front of the bag.
400# lead on the left side under seats towards the back.

For our goofy riders we move 100#s lead to the right and fill the right rear bag and left is 3/4 full. Everyone sits on the right side of the boat.

Speed 11.7 mph.


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[curtis1245]

I have the same set up in a 06 22 launch. I fill the port an center bags full then put 20 or 30% in the starboard bag gives a little extra height an use a mission delta shaper. If your like me and still have a stock prop that’s the next step.


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[Turbinesurgeon]

I have the same set up in a 06 22 launch. I fill the port an center bags full then put 20 or 30% in the starboard bag gives a little extra height an use a mission delta shaper. If your like me and still have a stock prop that’s the next step.


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Yep. First thing I did was replace the stock prop


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[middlegriff1]

I just got a GG 24SSV 1180 full up front, 1100s both full in rear, shaper is a must. Best wave seems to be 5-6 person crew and running at 11.2- 11.6

[Turbinesurgeon]

Yes. Ordered through my local dealer. They color match it to your boat. There are a few options you can buy, SS trim rail, seadek pad, etc. Used the same brackets. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190805/0544aa426e9d2e5c840a5c5d75b79f25.jpgI think mine was $1000-1100


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So I’ve been observing what my swim platform is doing with the surf wave. What I’m noticing is water is cutting across the aft rear corner of the platform. I’m wondering what effect this has on my wave. I’m noticing the first part of the wave doesn’t have a defined lip. Is this rounding of the first part of the wave caused by the swim platform?

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[MJHKnox]

So I’ve been observing what my swim platform is doing with the surf wave. What I’m noticing is water is cutting across the aft rear corner of the platform. I’m wondering what effect this has on my wave. I’m noticing the first part of the wave doesn’t have a defined lip. Is this rounding of the first part of the wave caused by the swim platform?

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I would assume so. The newer platforms are not as wide. You can see how the water comes off the bottom of the boat with the red line. Granted, this is a newer boat.

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[MJHKnox]

Another view - high flyer. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191015/7e94c026ba3f70c12de504b280649454.jpg


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[Hanso24V]

Before I buy a new style platform I was going to make a "2" lift kit" for my current platform in the Spring with pieces of square aluminum tubing and longer screws. Has anyone tried this "redneck" solution??

[Turbinesurgeon]

Before I buy a new style platform I was going to make a "2" lift kit" for my current platform in the Spring with pieces of square aluminum tubing and longer screws. Has anyone tried this "redneck" solution??

I saw a 07 Supra with the new style swim platform as well as the new style brackets and when they mounted the brackets they just mounted them higher. I’m going to do mine this way since I really don’t like the design of the old brackets.


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[MJHKnox]

2” will raise that high w/o ballast.

My 22 with my surf platform and a 3/4” raise. Next to my buddy’s 24

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[MJHKnox]

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[Turbinesurgeon]

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What’s that piece of aluminum running from your swim bracket?


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[MJHKnox]

What’s that piece of aluminum running from your swim bracket?


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Aftermarket FAE exhaust support.

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[MJHKnox]

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[Turbinesurgeon]

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Nice!! I’m sure the new owner is happy with all the work you put into that boat.


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[Mischief IV]

Nice!! I’m sure the new owner is happy with all the work you put into that boat.

Still for sale. Someone should buy this boat. It's a real sweet ride. Loaded with all options.

https://premierwatersports.net/boat/2007-supra-22ssv/

[Hanso24V]

My 2" platform lift kit worked awesome. I also added a wake shaper which allows us to run our full 2700lbs of ballast. That extra weight sinks the top of the raised platform dead even with the surface of the water. The raised platform doesnt interfere with the wave anymore so its crisp on top now. Double bonus! The $100 generic shaper, max ballast, and raised platform helped me earn the ultimate compliment. My veteran wake surfer son said the wave was "sick". Does it get any better?? ��

[Turbinesurgeon]

My 2" platform lift kit worked awesome. I also added a wake shaper which allows us to run our full 2700lbs of ballast. That extra weight sinks the top of the raised platform dead even with the surface of the water. The raised platform doesnt interfere with the wave anymore so its crisp on top now. Double bonus! The $100 generic shaper, max ballast, and raised platform helped me earn the ultimate compliment. My veteran wake surfer son said the wave was "sick". Does it get any better?? ��

Could you post some pics of your raised platform? My new platform is coming from SC this week and I’d like to see what you did with your brackets.


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[Hanso24V]

Its not sexy but it works.

Removed the 1" screws and brackets from the platform
Cut treated 2x4's to length of bracket and painted them black. Also painted the brackets black while they were off.
Pre-drilled the 2x4's to match the bracket holes
Bought 2"longer stainless screws plus washers and sandwiched a 2x4 between each bracket and the platform.
I will try to get pics this weekend. Its pretty hard to notice the lift but the transom Supra logo does look more centered now.

Our neighbor tested the sturdiness on Sunday when he ran his Gekko into the platform. The platform held strong and my stainless grab rail did better than his gelcoat.

[ourlee]

Our neighbor tested the sturdiness on Sunday when he ran his Gekko into the platform. The platform held strong and my stainless grab rail did better than his gelcoat.

This is so damn funny!

[MJHKnox]

Ouch. . .

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[Bigb831]

Yes. Ordered through my local dealer. They color match it to your boat. There are a few options you can buy, SS trim rail, seadek pad, etc. Used the same brackets. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190805/0544aa426e9d2e5c840a5c5d75b79f25.jpgI think mine was $1000-1100


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What brand surf plates are you using?

[MJHKnox]

What brand surf plates are you using?

Wakeland Manfacturing - same company that makes them for SC.

They were Moomba Flow 2.0 Plates that were custom fitted for the actuators mounted on a Supra.

Expensive Add-On compared to $100-$200 suck gates.

https://www.wakelandmfg.com/



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[CJD]

Gotta ask, what are the indicators above your exhaust on the transom?

[MJHKnox]

Directly above the exhaust was a set of underwater lights.



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[Mischief IV]

Directly above the exhaust was a set of underwater lights.

Those aren’t turn indicators to let the surfer know which way you are going?

[MJHKnox]

I'm not an engineer, but I was never sure why they had so many notches in the back of that hull.

[CJD]

Lights...never would have guessed! Must look neat at night.

I had a heck of a time engineering my wake system to work around all the steps. I spent hours taking measurements, hanging over the transom, to CAD them all. I like your plates, they make it look much easier than it is!

[bobbybib]

I'm not an engineer, but I was never sure why they had so many notches in the back of that hull.

Agree with you

[MGordo]

That swim deck riser is a great idea.. our brackets have been repaired 3 times (in different spots) from the pressure on the platform from being submerged so much.
(pin holes were welded twice from the vibration wearing through the bracket and then finally the screws ripped out of the platform itself so we have bolts going right through the entire platform.

[MJHKnox]

That swim deck riser is a great idea.. our brackets have been repaired 3 times (in different spots) from the pressure on the platform from being submerged so much.
(pin holes were welded twice from the vibration wearing through the bracket and then finally the screws ripped out of the platform itself so we have bolts going right through the entire platform.

I have another pic on my phone of my boat (22) and my buddy's (24). You can notice the swim platform height w/o ballast. The risers gave enough height to clear the surf tabs and not drag in the water when surfing - the revised corners of the platform helped a bunch too. The old platform had A LOT of drag when loaded with ballast.

[Turbinesurgeon]

That swim deck riser is a great idea.. our brackets have been repaired 3 times (in different spots) from the pressure on the platform from being submerged so much.
(pin holes were welded twice from the vibration wearing through the bracket and then finally the screws ripped out of the platform itself so we have bolts going right through the entire platform.

Those original brackets are junk. I tried everything with mine to make them better. I went ahead and upgraded with the new style brackets and platform


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