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Okie Boarder
10-25-2010, 11:55 AM
We've been experimenting with surfing a little this year using a friend's board and either people weight to list the boat or borrowed bags. We may try to go out again in a couple weeks and I wanted to try something. Here is the current set up for weight (typically for wakeboarding)

400# bag in ski locker in back
400# bag under rear seat
350# bag down in front bilge belly (basically right under the cooler)
250# bag on the floor between engine cover and cooler

Note: These all only fill to approximately 90% full.

A friend has 3 350# bags that we may try using next time out.

My thought is 2 of them in back next to the engine and one up in the bow all on the surf side. Thoughts?

This would definitely be a LOT of weight. We tried two of the bags before like I described and moved the 250# to the bow seating area on the surf side and the wave seemed pretty good. Just thought it might be interesting to experiment with just a bit more weight.

87SunSportMikeyD
10-25-2010, 03:54 PM
Basically I would start adding those sacs to the rear until you feel like the wave is too 'steep' and you have to keep your foot on the brakes (ie lean back all the time) to stay off the platform. That is when to add bow weight.

Personally I think it's kinda important to keep the bow weight to one side. This make the bow list as well, which makes the deep vee 'keel' of the hull cut through the water at a different angle.

More surf pics! :)

Okie Boarder
10-25-2010, 05:17 PM
I may try two 350's in the back next to the engine or up onto the rear seat and see what it's like and take a few pictures. Then, maybe I'll try a third, but I'm pretty nervous about that. The last time with the two in back and moving the 250 to the bow, the back end of the boat just about had water coming OVER the rub rail and the bow was up pretty high. Seems like I want to get the bow down with more weight up there, no?

Basically it was riding like this except the nose was up in the air more.

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n315/woodwrangler/surferview-1.jpg[/QUOTE]

87SunSportMikeyD
10-25-2010, 07:11 PM
THAT is NOT your boat, buddy. :p :p

Jk Jk I dunno some people swear by no weight in the bow, but I think our unique hull shape (super deep vee) makes a difference in how to weight it.

Basically moving weight rear to front is a tradeoff between wave height and pocket length. If you get too much bow weight, the size takes a big drop off.

Wake plate up?

Okie Boarder
10-26-2010, 04:29 PM
Yeah, definitely not my boat, but I'm sitting almost that low in the water in the back but way higher in the front.

I have the turnbuckle style plate and it is set a little above horizontal.

jet
10-28-2010, 01:49 PM
Keep ALL weight center and to the right. If your rear locker weight and rear seat weight go all the way from one side to the other..stop! That off sets the other side so Its a waist of weight. All weight has to be center and right or center and left. Big mistake a lot of people make. try and get as much weight to the side and rear. i would start out with a 650 rt side of engine and then start stacking sacs on top of the rear seat and over the rear locker if possible until TERRIFIED that the boat will roll over. That makes a big wake. LMAO

you have to start getting close to the 1500 lb and up to start seeing a big wake. Good luck and take pic's. Jet

87SunSportMikeyD
10-28-2010, 01:59 PM
Sorry JET I disagree with ya there... Rear weight across the back makes the overall wave size much bigger than just weighting the surf side. The engine provides the weight in a Vdrive.

I have stacked 1600lb all surf side and the wave had a nice curl but it was not as large overall as when the rear is weighted across both sides AND the surf side was weighted. You can have TOO much weight on the non-surf side for sure.

Just my IMHO though, I dont think there is a right or wrong here really.,...

jet
10-28-2010, 02:08 PM
Gotcha..I can picture that in my mind..but I have only seen it add white wash to the wave though in the boats I have been in.

Okie Boarder
10-28-2010, 05:15 PM
Thanks for the feedback. I'll try to get some pictures and see how it goes. Ideally, I'd like to keep the weight set up across the back in the ski locker and under the rear seat, as well as the bags up front in the middle that are normally there for wakeboarding, then add from there.

Okie Boarder
11-05-2010, 10:23 AM
I'm going to try two things and see what works better.

1. Have all the normal wakeboarding bags full (Ski Locker, Rear Seat, Bilge Belly up front and Bag on Floor above bilge belly). Then fill all three of my friends bags. Two bags will go next to the engine and the third will go up in the bow. That puts 1050# all on the surf side, 600# up front in the center and about 700# in the rear across the whole width.

2. Drain the Ski Locker and Rear Seat bags, but leave everything else the same as above. I might even try putting all three bags next to the engine if it seems like I have too much front weight.

I'm interested to see how it goes. Here's a couple pictures with option 1 and two of the bags next to the engine.

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa335/CAOKIE/Andysurfing011.jpg

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa335/CAOKIE/Andysurfing005.jpg

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa335/CAOKIE/Andysurfing001.jpg

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa335/CAOKIE/Andysurfing018.jpg

sybrmike
11-05-2010, 11:38 AM
Looks like the wake is starting to shape up, but I'd expect a little more with that much weight. Maybe it's my sinus meds kickin in, but can you clarify exactly how much weight you have where in the pics? What speed & wakeplate setting? Curious to see what the experienced experts have to say...

Okie Boarder
11-05-2010, 11:58 AM
mike,

In those pics, this is the weight set up...

~350# in the ski locker across the rear
~350# under the rear seat
~300# down in the bilge belly up front (kind of under the cooler)
~250# on the floor right in front of the motor
~750# on the floor/up onto the rear seat next to the engine (surf side)

Speed is about 11mph and my wakeplate is fixed at about 1/4" above level.

Okie Boarder
11-08-2010, 05:23 PM
Here's some pictures from this weekend...

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa335/CAOKIE/pic021.jpg

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa335/CAOKIE/pic022.jpg

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa335/CAOKIE/pic023.jpg

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa335/CAOKIE/pic024.jpg

Okie Boarder
11-08-2010, 05:24 PM
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa335/CAOKIE/pic025.jpg

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa335/CAOKIE/pic026.jpg

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa335/CAOKIE/pic027.jpg

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa335/CAOKIE/pic134.jpg

Okie Boarder
11-08-2010, 05:26 PM
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa335/CAOKIE/pic142.jpg

sybrmike
11-08-2010, 06:00 PM
Definition of "goofy" - surfing right foot forward

or

- wearing shorts over wetsuit.

Sorry, no help here (just jealous you've finished your rebuild AND are still enjoying a late season - keep enjoying the fruits of your labor)

Okie Boarder
11-08-2010, 06:06 PM
LOL Mike! So, I'm Goofy Squared?

cmtaylor777
11-08-2010, 08:55 PM
I said the same thing to Dusty and KG. Both wore shorts. Not complaining though. I would perfer more midsection coverage over less, if you know what I'm saying.

dusty2221
11-10-2010, 05:54 PM
Yeah, we were unsure of the general rule on if the shorts go over or under, but under seems pointless...why wear em. Over at least gives you some color!

Okie Boarder
11-11-2010, 12:26 PM
Yeah, I'm all for more coverage.

So, what about the waves? What do you guys think?

87SunSportMikeyD
11-16-2010, 12:12 PM
Haven't commented yet because I'm not sure quite what to say hehe.. In the top pics the wave looks well formed, but maybe driving slow?? Also it looks like maybe a bit windy?

In the set of pics with you riding, the wave doesnt appear to have much lip. I cant tell if maybe your carves disrupted the curl of the wave or maybe you just need a little more listing on the boat?

I have noticed windy days mess with my wave quite a bit. Not sure if it's driving into the wind or what, but it's annoying.

I would also love to see pics of the boat (maybe someone in the bow can snap a pic) and a pic of how the transom looks (how close the corner is to the water). I know those are hard to get and you may be done for the year... Also it's great to list your speed, wake plate, total weight+how many peeps.

Love to see the pics and I KNEW you guys would be lovin surfin eventually! :P :P

Okie Boarder
11-16-2010, 01:48 PM
Mikey,

Thanks for the feedback. Definitely done for the season and I'll revive this thread in the spring with more pictures and discussion. It was pretty windy and I'm sure that played into it. When I tried to wakeboard I was getting mist / spray from the boat hitting me in the face, if that is any indication of the wind.