The wheelie is fairly normal. Out of curiosity, what is your swim platform doing to your wave. Can you tell if it's dragging in the water much? It could be squashing the wave.
The wheelie is fairly normal. Out of curiosity, what is your swim platform doing to your wave. Can you tell if it's dragging in the water much? It could be squashing the wave.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-R...s800/photo.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by 2500HD
Yes, the platform is definitely dragging. If you look at the picture above, take the point on the platform that is halfway along the depth of the platform on the outside surf edge and draw a line at a 45 degree angle toward the Stern of the platform. That's where the platform is cutting into the wake. And you know I have a big lip on my platform...
We have been looking into making a surf platform, but the outside two of the three metal braces Are really close to the outside edges of the platform, so it would be tough to cut much down on the sides if I did make a custom platform.
I will draw a picture later...
Okay, here's a graphic. The blue line is about where the wake is on the swim platform. And unfortunately the yellow line is where the platform brackets are, so it would make it difficult to put a smaller platform on. Not sure what the solution is for this platform... At the minimum, something with a smooth bottom even if I can't cut the width as much as I'd like...
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-L...s800/photo.jpg
I have a 90 Sunsport which has a better wake than the pervious boats I've surfed behind. One was a 96 Ski Nautique (I prefer that boat for wake board wake) and the other was a 01 Sanger v210.
I just have 2 350# bags currently that are not hidden. :-( We had 2 people in the boat the other day with 1/4 tank of gas, I stuck one bag on the floor next to the motor, the other bag on the rear seat. That seemed to create a decent wake that I could surf about 6feet behind the platform.
Later that week, I had 6 people on the boat, used 1 350# bag on the floor parallel to the seats.
I attached a photo taken from our time lapse Contour Plus. Since it's mounted on the windshield, it doesn't advertise the best wake shape, but it at least illustrates the point. :-D
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Thanks. It's always good to hear what others are doing and what's working for them. We'll be going out tonight and reconfiguring our bag setup. We'll also have 2 more people than normal, so I'm sure it'll be better regardless of how we configure things.Quote:
Originally Posted by twisterad3
More pics from this weekend... We'll see how much improvement we can get with a reconfiguration of the ballast bags.
This one is where I almost lost the wave but was able to recover. But I like the pic because it shows the wave well.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-i...4_IMG_5858.jpg
A whole bunch more surf wave pics:
https://picasaweb.google.com/1006741...eat=directlink
This is a good one too. It's me falling off the back of the pocket--I wasn't able to recover. But it's a good look at what I've been riding. I did find that smoother water tend to = more push. Do you all find that to be true?
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-r...4_IMG_5864.jpg
Smooth water does make a big difference. I've been toying with the idea of cutting and rewelding my platform brackets on an angle so i could cut my swim deck on an angle.
You guys should also know that a full tank of gas makes a big difference. An extra 30gallons is 250lbs but it's also as far back in the boat as possible. This is why I always keep the gas tank and custom cooler as full as possible. ;)
Yeah, I'm SURE that the only reason to keep that cooler full is because of the surf wake! ROFL!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by wotan2525
Here's a couple of vids to show what 1,100 lengthwise of the surf side + 250 under the rear seat + 4 passengers got me. I'm pretty happy.
This one has a couple shots down to see what's happening with the platform. (although you can see it better with the vid I took of the boat).
http://contour.com/videos/watch/tray-surf-3-on-8-7-13
I was pretty happy to see how the surf wake turned out with the reconfig:
http://contour.com/videos/watch/tray-surf-1-on-8-7-13
And if you didn't see it, a vid of the boat filmed by me surfing:
http://contour.com/stories/supra-sun...oing-surf-duty
That looks pretty good! Any chance there are some shallow spots there? When my wave starts to wash like that it means that it's less than ~8ft deep.
Also -- We'd get a ticket in a hot minute if we were sitting on the sun pad. Our river is heavily patrolled and they never have anything better to do than pull me over for a "safety check."
Ours isn't quite as heavily patrolled and we were basically out on that section by ourselves. Water was so smooth (for a river)! But yeah, I'm kind of doing a *facepalm* because he was doing that and it makes me nervous to post that up. In OR, you can do that if you're under 5mph or if you have "adequate railing". (I hadn't read the specifics of the regulation until today, so I really didn't know about the legality, but kinda figured it wasn't really that smart). Somehow I don't think they would consider my railings "adequate". Doh!Quote:
Originally Posted by wotan2525
As far as the depth, probably did get into some sections like that. I'm still waiting on a o-ring to finish the installation of my in hull transducer. But it's quite common for it to be 15 feet or less. I'm sure we'll probably go EEK when we get the depth gauge working and get a real idea of what we've been riding in!
When I did my rebuild, I opened it up under there instead of it being closed in and filled with foam. I also put a 20" square hatch in the floor right in front of the motor. I can literally crawl down inside the bilge under the cooler. It's enough room to hold a 500# bag if I got one big enough to fill the entire space under there.Quote:
Originally Posted by trayson
It's a supra with a cuddy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Okie Boarder
WOW my only bad prop strike was up on your side of the river ... there are some weird and shallow areas all over up there....been scared to go back because this boats prop and shaft would cost a lot more then my mercruzer one did!Quote:
Originally Posted by trayson
So, I got the depth gauge installed and YES, if we drop below 10 feet deep I can tell it affects my wave. basically the shallower water makes the wave break and get all foamy and smaller. Yuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by wotan2525
Here are some new pics of the wave with just the 3 sacks (one under seat and the other two doubled up on the port side.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-P...130817_020.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-6...130817_021.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1...130817_023.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-5...130817_024.jpg
If we had relatively smooth water and over 10 feet of depth, I could easily freeride while air guitaring to Van Halen's Hot for Teacher on the new tower speakers!
And the other morning when it was just me and my buddy with my 7 year old flagging, we added the small bag to the rear center.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-e...816_111151.jpg
And NO bow weight. It kills my push. I had one evening where we had 3 little kids (under 200 pounds) in the bow and it killed my wave to the point where I couldn't freeride).
What sacs you run now? That looks like a ton of water.
370 pound tube sack on the port floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by villain
750 sack on top of that.
200 - 250 under rear seat.
Option for another 150 of needed rear center.
Imma have to play with my new wake plate cause I usually use a 450 starboard side, 1450 port side, 450 ski locker, 450 across the bow, and how ever much I can fill right behind the motor. Wave is huge, but short. I'm hoping that the new plate will help that out.
Trayson -- Looks awesome! I also tell people.... just add more weight! ;)
Where's your wakeplate? If you haven't messed with it, moving it down will lengthen that wave a little bit and still give you good push.
I haven't touched it. It's all the way up... What do you suggest? Line an inch down or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by wotan2525
I run mine all the way down. It kills your wakeboard wake but makes the surf wave awesome!
New surf wake in action...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozrME...ature=youtu.be
Looks good man! Wish I had the free time to play on the water lately. Been busier than a one legged man In a butt kicking contest the last month!
I'm planning a weekend with the wife to come check out the Portland area mid next month. You mind maybe showin us around one day? Planning on being in town the 14-16.
Looking for reasons why that area is a good place to move to in a year or so.
I am sure we could carve out some time. What types of things would peak your interest? Cool restaurants? Happy hour spots? Brew pubs? Local sites and stuff?Quote:
Originally Posted by villain
She is into broadway type stuff. And i usually enjoy shows with her. We both long board allot, me more than her. Sometimes 50 miles a weekend. love the water sometimes I think we do more than we should, authentic food, local gems most tourists and even some residents don't know of. Me and my buddy ( if he comes) like micro brews and small pubs.
Just trying to get a feel for new places to live.
We have spent some time on the delta in Cali, but its just to damn big. Thinking Portland area, moving more south, or just picking up and moving to Florida
That would be awesome if you could take some time for us. Thanks in advance!
You should check out this place. It's about 100 miles from here, and it's literally right off the gorge. you'd pass within a couple miles of it as you go on I-84. It's Called Maryhill Loops Road and it's a private road owned by a museum. I rent it with my BMW club each year. It's the rage for longboarders... It's just off the junction of Hwy 97.Quote:
Originally Posted by villain
https://www.google.com/search?q=mary...w=1718&bih=775
We have season tickets to the Portland Broadway series. Bummer you'll have just missed the run of Chicago. As a season ticket holder I can get sweet deals on extra seats. We'll be seeing it on Sept 3rd opening night.
Those guys are crazy!! I'm a flat lander.
Thanks for all the help everyone. I feel like we're doing well as far as weight. I can pretty much ride my 5'6 fish as long as I want and absorb speed fluctuations from my (im)Perfect Pass...
pics from tonight...
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-l...828_190043.jpg
Picture of how slammed the boat was at rest... (look at the "SUPRA" letters in my sig pic, and then compare to what you can see of them in this:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-z...828_190105.jpg
And here's my buddy freeriding... all 235 pounds of him. I was driving and my wife and he son were at the stern. no bow weight... Yeah, he's REALLY forward on the board, but he's riding it. FWIW my (im)Perfect Pass wasn't being very cooperative. It was having a tough time keeping a stable speed for us despite the SMOOOOOOOOOTH water.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-a...828_195045.jpg
It really, really, really pains me to say this...but...you are a WAY better surfer than myself. Did I mention it really pains me to say that? ;)
Keep it up buddy! Super jealous of all the time you get to practice. I boat a lot (2-3 times a week in the summer) but only have one, yep, one surf session this year.
I will now get offline and cry...
What's stopping you? Is it the time it takes to sack the boat out? I uesd to get some groans from the wife about the fill/empty ballast hassle, but then she tried surfing and got up on the board and since then she's been a lot more "pro surf time". hehehe.Quote:
Originally Posted by kvand347
typical weekend day for us is to launch at 8:30am. Then a couple of short wakeboard sets. Then load up the sacks and surf it up until we're somewhat satisfied. Today we were off the water at 1pm and had 3 of us wakeboard, 3 of us surf, and at the beginning of the day I tried and tried and tried to remember how the hell to get up on a slalom (I got out of the water one time, but fell over quick). Damn it sucks to try and remember how to slalom after like 10 years!!!! (I think my fail was that I wasn't leaning back enough). It REALLY pains the wife to have me try to ski because I don't take to it as naturally as a board sport.
BTW, wakeboarding for many, many years and snowboarding since I got out of college has helped the surf a LOT!
Believe it or not it's my wife and kids that is stopping me. My wife doesn't care for boating, but will go occasionally if I ask her to. My kids just want to play on the beach or look for frogs. Everyone hates when dad wants to wakeboard or surf! :(Quote:
Originally Posted by trayson
Most of my friends are busy with their family that they can't get out for a "boys day out." Such is the life of mid-thirties with wife/kids and trying to re-live our care-free twenties!
Just find new friends with similar interests. That's what I did. A buddy of mine actually left his gf of 2 years because she hated the water. His new girlfriend is way better. She actually surfs. Haha! It's all about priorities man. Lol
I guess I should count myself lucky. I have a wife that LOVES the boat. She got stitches in her foot and can't get in the water, but still is with me EVERY trip and is happy to drive a ton. (she actually enjoys driving!!) Yes, PP is a factor in that! Although I found out yesterday that she was actually pulling back the throttle if I started to fall off the surf wave to "catch" me and let me catch up a little as I pumped the board. I totally thought all those saves were "all me" and she humbled me and told me that she saved me a handful of times. I'm actually starting to think that she's getting to be a better surf driver than me!
She also got way more passionate about boating after she got up on the surf board. My son is 7, so he's down to be on the boat and is happy for whatever. (although his fav times are when we beach it and he can play in the shallow sandy spots).
We're out 3 to 4 times a week. I also found a few people off the forums and have hooked up with them when i needed a 3rd. And we have lots of friends that are down to just have boat rides. (those are great because they never take up "behind the boat" time, ROFL!!!). I have 1 buddy that is PASSIONATE about surfing and he has more enthusiasm and time than money, so he makes up for gas contributions by putting in quite a few hours helping me wrench on the boat.
I'll make you really jealous now:
Yesterday we were launching at 8:30 am. We had SMOOTH water and multiple wake/surf sets for 3 guys until we felt satisfied (and hungry) at 2pm. Then we cruised over to one of the guy's place that lives on a houseboat, picked up 2 more ladies, and we all went via boat to a floating restaurant and had happy hour food/drinks on the water. Dropped 1/2 our crew back at the houseboat and then cruised back to the launch pulling out at 6pm. Longest day on the water so far, and fantastic except having the gas pump shut off at $99 and realizing that I burned all that and more in a DAY. :-/
On the flip side, last weekend, we had to shut off the alarm and sleep in on Sunday when we simply couldn't find a 3rd. It's only happened to us a few times this season, but when it does, it's sad...
Stop it!!! Now you're just gloating! :p
No need to find new friends Villain. I've got plenty of water bug friends. Getting their schedule and my schedule to align is the tricky part!
I agree kvand. But I lost a couple of friends because I have a boat and ask for help with gas from the people who ride. I ask for a portion of the gas you burn behind my boat after you ate my food and drank my beer and suddenly I'm the asshole?? Don't think so. I do have a handful of friends that like to ride, but schedules suck to align sometimes. Like this weekend my normal riding buddie is going to be In Orlando for surf expo promoting his surf brand Agenda. So I'm thinking I might just take the wife and son. Should make for a lot of riding this weekend.
I know how that is. I think my wife has gone out with us a whole 1 time, ever. I bring my son along whenever he's asking for it and he's not too grumpy. I'm just glad I have a friend who goes out all the time and takes me with him. In my late 20s with a 2 year old and one on the way, the wife hate's when I go out because she's left home alone or with our son, but refuses to go out with us because then she'll have to watch our son (like she's already doing at home). Lot of arguments about me going to do what I love instead of sitting around the house not doing a lot, but it works itself out. Can't wait until I can afford a boat and my 2 kids are old enough to enjoy playing behind the boat, then she'll kinda be forced to come or not have family time. Our son talks about the boat all the time. I think 2 kids and your husband saying they want to go out is good encouragement.Quote:
Originally Posted by kvand347
Surfing > Rest of lifeQuote:
Originally Posted by villain
Thank you for letting me pay with wrench time. I would have to sell a kidney otherwise. btw: that fat sack has more holes to fill than a Bangkok special, will probably be ready this weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by trayson
Villain,
My friends are really good about gas $. Most bring their own coolers, too. Actually, the last time we were all out no one had any cash on them. I just told them to catch me next time and don't worry about it. Of course, I was a little miffed. The next day, my buddy drops off a thank you card signed by 8 people with $70 in it! Talk about some good buds!
Phathom,
I should restate my earlier post. I've had the boat out about 25 times and my wife has been out about 10. So it's not like she never goes. I just enjoy boating so much that I want to share it with her. She's been a trooper because she usually obliges without too much pressure. She surprised me twice this year asking if we could go out with some of our friends!
The bottom line is that I want to do MORE, it's just tough to get everyone on board.
Damn kvand, can I be friends with your friends? I still have a guy that owes me for 3 trips out. It's safe to say he isn't invited out anymore. Haha!
So, last night we were under a bit of a time crunch and as BAD luck would have it, we pulled the boat out of the water and had a totally flat trailer tire.Quote:
Originally Posted by phathom
Phathom was with us and jumped into action and basically did all the tire changing work while I used the flashlight app on my phone to give him light. He got sandy and greasy and we got the wheel changed pretty quick.
Of course I hadn't topped off the spare with air, so it was running really low. Phathom followed us to the nearest gas station and made sure we were good to go before heading home.
Good show from a riding buddy.