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Very interesting. Drawn up on autocad, looks like you're at around 6 degrees on the second pic, and 11 on the first
And it only hangs down about 1.25" underneath the boat when not pinned?
Maybe I can try something like the NSS. It looks like it doesn't take much at all
Doing some more googling, there's a guy on the PN forum that had issues setting up his poormans surf gate. His boat has a stepped hull and with the Surf gate, he couldn't get a decent surf wave.
He tried doing the NSS system in hiw boat.
http://www.themalibucrew.com/forums/...-thread/page-4
http://www.planetnautique.com/vb3/sh...-project-99-SN
My boat has a similar hull. Mine is flat on the bottom, then steps up slightly, then has a rounded chine in the corner of the hull.
I'm going to try fabbing a NSS style plate next time I go to the lake, and C-Clamp it to my platform. If I can get the wave dialed in, I'll make a full setup that bolts to the transom, with a coupl of levers that deploy the tab. It just seems like a much better system that is completely out of the way, and doesn't affect wakeboarding at all.
i have seen High Altitudes posts. The thing i don't like about the nss system is attachment.
For the record neither rudder screws up any wake whether it is surfing, wakeboarding or skiing. when unpinned they just follow the water and trail along. and being only 1/2 inch thick they don't displace much water
Hm, another idea:
Have a flap that comes off of the wakeplate to divert the water. When not in use flip it back over itself to the top of the wakeplate.
Although I don't know how well it would work since the wake plate is near the middle of the boat.
NorCal, something like the convex vx that tige has??
Not quite. A flat piece that just flips down off of the wakeplate at an angle on one side, that delays the convergence on that side of the boat. Same principle as the NSS and the surfgate, a just much sleeker and less invasive design.
might only work if you have automatic trim. I think my turnbuckels would get in the way on my salt.
Ah, true.
Even if it's something that clamps into place, it would still be worth it since it would be much easier to store.
the other thing i would think about is the strength of some thin sheet metal v.s water force.
Strong enough if Nautique is using 1/8" SS for their setup
yep, probably is strong enough.
Wotan hear we go again. lol. Progress?? I want in on this one.
It works great i'm playing about 15ft off the back and can still catch the boat from about 20ft back. Seems to work best for goofy foot which i am so it's great. weighting the boat 60/40 seems to work best with just a little list accomplished with people. the bags i distribute evenly in the back. no front weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by jet
I also just ordered a new acme 913......we'll see what that does to it.
Just had to say......God i love this wave!!!!
How much weight are you running now?Quote:
Originally Posted by 2500HD
Roughly 1500# without fuel
But i did have a buddy surf today with just the ski locker bag filled up.
I haven't been able to be on the boat since late august mainly due to elk archery hunting season and all around crappy weather, but if i get a chance i still plan to get a video of the wake shaper in action. In my opinion it is by far the simplest and most effective one out there! Keep my fingers crossed for a good day on the weekend
Think you will post anymore pics of your setup? I
From what I can tell your rudders, when locked in, do not extend beyond the outside of the boat
Sorry for the late response, i was at lake powell. If you read all the posts you will find that this was already discussed. And they do stick out from the side of the boat.
So i sold the saltare and got a santera.......now for the surfgate.
This is my first attempt with a fiberglass swim platform but i think it will work just fine. I'm just posting a couple of picks of what i have done and hope to test it tomorrow night(weather permitting). I'll post picks of the wave as soon as i'm off the water, but the max weight will be 750 in each rear locker for a total of 1500#. I hope it will take a lot less weight to get a great wave but we will see.
http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/...pscdea7672.jpg
http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/...psac6b3f29.jpg
I'm using about 900 in the rear with my gates. I sold my prototypes and just finished my new set. They turned out real nice.
One thing I've found with the OEM fiberglass platforms is that the 2" lip of fiberglass that's under the platform cuts into your surf wave and robs you of lots of your push. We had to ditch our fiberglass platform and made a prototype out of wood that cut off the corners so it wasn't dragging in the wave.
Yep i,ve experienced that squashing effect on my old saltare. This Santera doesn't do that as bad. My wife really likes the fiberglass swimdeck so i figured i would keep it for now. Unfortunately the weather has still been shitty with either rain, wind or just to cold so i haven't been in the water to try the wave yet. I only have one more weekend to try before i go to powell so hopefully summer will show up and i'll get to try it out.
So I have been following these "build you own wake gate" threads, you seem to have it pretty dialed in, as well as Corn Rickey. I have an 87 Saltare which I am going to get unwinterized in a few days and want to get on the water this weekend. In reference to the swim step, I recall it did dig into the wave as well, dont remember if i had a huge impact on the wave but I remember it gouging it pretty good. I wonder how easy it would be to trim the swim steps edges up and fill in some of the gap underneath to prevent it from impacting the wake so much. Also, it took me just over 2000 Lbs last year to actually go ropeless, so the swim step was 2-3 inches underwater just at idle, would be nice to use less weight and have a cleaner wake, I am going to look into making one of these wake shapers as well, i will keep you posted, thanks DevonQuote:
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If my platform squashes the wake i will first raise it 1 to 1 1/2 inches and if that doesn't do it i will just build another wood one(my wife will just have to learn to love it). Hopefully i will find out this weekend!
Hey 2500HD, Just curious how everything turned out? Any updated pics of Installed rudders and waves?? Thanks for all the great posts!!!
I have been thinking of replacing my deck. I have thought about making one out of teak and copying the contour of my current platform. Is the problem with the stock platform the round edge underneath? So a solid wood deck should help especially if I trim the corners like trayson did. Thoughts. Sorry for the highjack.
Yep, the main problem i was having with the stock platform was the lip hanging down. It was in essence hanging down in the wave and having a squashing effect. The other problem was that the back corners needed trimmed to clear the wave as well. Now there is no interference even when the rub rail is touching the water.Quote:
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http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3447fa98.jpg
Sorry but no new pictures of the rudders or wave. If i get a chance to go out this weekend i'll try using it and get a picture.
What he said.Quote:
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Here is my custom platform for my XLV...
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-J...010_155343.jpg
My custom platform. I did the rattle can truck bed liner. Came out pretty good. Less than $100. 2 layers of 3/4" dense plywood.
I used dimensions from the newer stock platform but I made mine 24" deep instead of 30. All angles were same as newer stock platforms. It looks like this is exactly what you did 2500HD...
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...212b85c784.jpg
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...20b0893b68.jpg
Surfin USA
what is the width of that at the narrow end (furthest back). I made my most recent version and I did 52" wide at the hull and 42" wide at the rear. and I don't like how pointy my rear angles are.
Also, did you round the long edge of this that goes up against the hull?
Do the sides come straight out from the hull at 90 degrees, or is there a bit of taper there too?
Yep, almost identical but i tapered mine in from the transom just to pull the edge in from the wave a little bit more.
My demensions ar 69inches at the transom tapering of to 52 1/2 inches and then to 31 inches this is based on a 2 foot platform
http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/...psojyzsbte.jpg
Are you using rudders for wake shaping with the new platform?Quote:
Originally Posted by 2500HD
I was using it on the port side just because it was being such a pain getting a decent wave on that side, but after tweaking the tracking fin i have just been slamming a side. I'm going to try the rudders again next year mainly because of the prop cavitation the boat gets when choppy. But this time of year in the morning there is no wind and no one on the lake so slamming it works just fine.
Mine is 62" at hull. Curved to fit transom. Also, sides do come in at an angles. In pics it looks like they are 90degrees from transom but they do taper in.
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...c3133b92d7.jpg
My new Surfgate. Haven't tried it yet. Adjustable with turnbuckle.
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...67b8bf7790.jpg
Surfin USA
Looks great, and keep us posted on how the surfgate works. It was my experience that it didn't take much angle for the wave to form.
Will do. Not sure when well have a chance to go out again. But I'll be sure to let you know how it does.
Surfin USA
figured i would throw it out there for anyone building one of these themselves---i did some testing this weekend and 22 degrees seems to be the optimal angle for surf gates. i checked out some other threads and found the same results from others, and proved it myself this weekend on my boat. i had been running mine at about 35 degrees when i first built it, and dropping it down to 22 was a big difference in the amount of push i felt while surfing. i could ride WAY back and with just 1-2 pumps of the board i would be up at the platform almost.
for reference, i was running 650 in the bow, 800 port, 600 starboard, 5 people in the boat (~900lbs), surfing port side. "gate" dimensions are roughly 20" long, 15" high (wal-mart cutting board). do yourselves a favor and build one over the winter!