I agree that a lot of boats like 22 degrees, but each hull is different. My saltare only needed around 10 degree's. so my suggestion is to make your setup adjustable so you can decide for yourself and your boat what you like.
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I agree that a lot of boats like 22 degrees, but each hull is different. My saltare only needed around 10 degree's. so my suggestion is to make your setup adjustable so you can decide for yourself and your boat what you like.
The further the gate is in on the Stern (not on the corner like above) the greater the angle. A issue that can be experienced is when the gate is orientated in and the angle is great, they're can be a turbulent situation that forces water back up to the sStern and shoots it up into the air. Additionally, the longer the gate, the less angle needed
How do the tabs work?
It's interesting to watch this sport progressing. 2 years ago and everyone needed/wanted the gates and everyone was weighting their boat evenly. Now the people at wakeworld are going back to listing it/slamming it in one corner and it seems like a lot of people are "over" the gates and are moving towards tabs.
How is that platform holding up? Wood and bedliner?? Past tries havent staid the time. 1-loose screw or gash and the water makes it in. Curious?
So i got out today but it was just me and my buddy, but the system worked flawless. I don't think i'm going to tweak anything. I even made my buddy switch sides mid surf lol. All i need now is more weight aka. people, but my boat has always needed more weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by wotan2525
The deck is holding up perfectly. I think a lot of people cheap out and just use regular ply instead of ac ply. Plus making sure you use a ton of elmers 3 which is waterproof. I guess it also doesn't hurt that i build custom homes for a living so i have a lot of experience to fall back on.Quote:
Originally Posted by jet
I hade to cut into the platform to make room for the actuators and everything was dry as a bone. I suppose it also helps that my boat stays in my steel building year round.
Thats nice work man, I would like to see the wave in action. I also like how you mounted them to the transom, through the swim step, where did you mount the switch? How does is do when the tabs are not actuated, any difference you notice there?Quote:
Originally Posted by 2500HD
I mounted the switch next to my ballast switches. Right above the throttle assembly. The tabs are actually mounted about 5/8 above the bottom of boat, you can just barely make out the step in the transom in the picture. It doesn't seem to make any difference to the boat when fully retracted.Quote:
Originally Posted by devovino
I'll try to get video next time i'm out but i seem to always get busy driving and surfing and forget. but i'll try.
Which actuator did you use? What is the throw length?
It's a stadard 101 with 2 1/4 throw. The trim plate is 9x12Quote:
Originally Posted by pridekit
Are you able to go completely flat like the surf swell? I was looking at there site, I'm wondering if you could get away with the 101 XD or XDS. Same throw, but a shorter actuator so you don't have to cut into the swim deck.
I haven't done any measurements myself, just thinking out loud. I might go by the Lenco office and see if they have anything that would work under the deck (with out the mounting style of the surf swell).
No it doesn't go vertical like the swell system, it is more like the mastercraft. I was looking at the bennett bolt actuator but it got a wicked good deal on the lenco'sQuote:
Originally Posted by pridekit
As requested a short video of the waves. I'm very very happy with the results. The position of the camera doesn't do the wave justice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mibqX3xp6Kc
https://youtu.be/KgHFeDiVaVM
being able to surf 15 to 20 ft back is awesome. This is just a video of the wave switch from side to side. I took a little while to get her up to speed and i think i will reprop her before to long. I'm able to run a lot more weight now and the wave is freakin awesome!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8yfkC56Qjg
I just ordered an acme 1615, after I install it I will see what it does to the wake. If nothing else my engine will be happier!
Looks great! :)
I am curious if you use the trim tabs when you are under way or if you strictly use them for surfing.
I have my manual wake plate set pretty low for slalom skiing but I feel like it slows my cruising speed when I am under way. Thinking of going to power wake plate and possible trim tabs while I am at it if seems worthwhile.
I've only used them for surfing, i think the directional tabs on the bottom of the trim tab might impede it. If i was you i would definatly get rid of the manual tab and go with either a lenco (my first choice) or a bennet.
That's awesome! Might have to try something like this after my surf gate failed miserably on my comp. What's the angle they come down at and are there any deflectors on the tab to delay the wake (like the gsa tabs)
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2500HD, i noticed you made your own FAE out of PVC/ABS--how has it held up? i'm going to be doing the same soon, any tips or suggestions about things that worked or didn't work when making it?
So far no problems at all. Just make sure to dry fit before glueing.Quote:
Originally Posted by jtryon
2500HD, that looks amazing! I really want to get that installed!
Guessing you did the install your self?
How does this differ from wakemakers wave control? https://www.wakemakers.com/wavecontrol
To me it looks very similar. Wavecontrol is $4000! This is $400!
Thanks. Paul
All of the systems are similar in design in that there is an actuator and a tab mounted just like any trim tab would be. This year i will probably play around with the size and shape of the tab a little. I think mine is somewhere in between a mastercraft tab and the go surf assist system. The main difference is my tabs have no automation except when i turn off the boat they automatically retract.
Do you have the regular or LED switch? Just wondering if you put the tabs down all the way or not. I could see the LED useful if you only put them part of the way down.
Just the regular switch, i put the tab all the way down but with bigger tabs that may change. I have also found that turning slightly away from the surf side increases the size of the wave. it's contrary to normal surfing but it works for my hull.
I emailed both Lenco and Bennett asking what they recommend for surf tabs for my boat and got the follow responses back.
Lenco
All of the surf tab systems we sell are custom designs by various OEMs. They are therefore proprietary blades & controls. We are not permitted to sell most of these blades through aftermarket distribution due to this fact. If customers are creating their own surf tab set up, they are doing it without recommendations from us, as it violates the agreements we have with our OEMs. Please let us know if there is anything else we can assist you with!
Bennett
Well, we offer Wakeplate systems, but we don’t specifically manufacture Surf tab systems. Of course, they are basically a trim tab system installed outboard as far as possible either in a normal trim tab installation (trim tabs positioned to deploy down into the hull surface’s water flow or tilted outboard to deploy outboard into the side wake. The later choice is normally reserved for the ski/wake boat manufacturing companies, since that can design the hull around this type of application so the vessel will run correct & true from the factory (not recommended as an aftermarket installation). One of the main issues with Surf tab systems has to do with the vertical height requirement to install the actuators so far outboard on a ski/wake boat, since these vessels normally have VERY LIMITED height to work with under the swim platforms. We combat this issue by being able to manufacture shorter overall length Classic Hydraulic Actuators, which CAN STILL have our standard 2-1/2” overall stroke length that is normal for a standard TRIM TAB SYSTEM. Also, the overall shorter length actuators allow us to install the actuators at the standard attachment point (8-5/8” back from the transom) on the trim tabs to obtain 20 to 25 degrees of trim tab deployment when installed. And one more capability we have with our Classic Hydraulic Actuators is that we can modify the overall stroke length of the actuators too. We can increase (up to 3-1/4”) or decrease (less than an 1”) per the OEM’s request, so we have quite a bit of customization capabilities to meet our clients needs.Do you have a photo of YOUR transom you can email to us, so we can see what type of mounting limitiations you are working around?
All surf tab systems are just glorified trim tabs.
Man my head is spinning. I've been reading about surf gates, ghetto gates, suck gates, etc for days. I have a 2011 242 Sunsport. Just in the process of ordering ballast upgrades. (1280lb WakeMakers in each rear locker). I will probably get another 1000lb bag to go under in the front walk thru area in the bow under the bridge cushion. I just want something that keeps me from listing the boat and won't be crazy expensive while giving huge clean wave. Too much to ask? i'm ehausted lol.
I'm in a similar boat, but I have a 2011 Launch 22V, so a bit smaller. I'm going to do a suck gate - not a fan of the velcro going directly on the boat for the Ronix-type of gate, and I'm trying to stay fairly "clean", portable, easy to switch sides, etc. But, for now, I load up the port-side rear locker with my 1,100 lb bag, throw my fat friend in the port-side corner (sort of hanging on the deck) - my fat friend is my original 450 lb bag that I use a portable pump to fill, and then maybe put a bit of weight up front, but not too much. The wave may not be as long, but man, it's big. But, looking to add a suck gate so I can retire my fat friend and easily switch from regular to goofy.
Just experiment. Anything that delays the convergence works. You just have to come up with something to hold it temporarily without damaging the hullQuote:
Originally Posted by dbatech99
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With the size of your boat and the amount of weight you can add i would just build a suck gate. we just built one for my buddies 05 xlv moomba and with both rear 1100 bags half full and his center locker half full the wave was spectacular. I used the mission delta on my boat with both rear 750's full and the wave was great but it worked the engine to hard for my taste.
All of my systems were before the suck gate and i love the tab system that i eventually settled on. It does require a bit more weight but it is easier on the engine. I also think that if i had to do it all over again i would probably do a suck gate and not fill my bags quite as much.
My recomendation is buy some suction cups and a cuting board and start building a gate.
I forgot to add that 5x9 was the most you needed to get the gate to work. One other tip is to tie it to your tower with the tab side facing forward and use a clay bar to remove wax or lake slime from where it sits. This will help to eliminate the gate from sliding off the boat.