It's kinda hard to tell what impact the gate is having, but the wake looks good and your surfing skills do too. Thanks for sharing.
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It's kinda hard to tell what impact the gate is having, but the wake looks good and your surfing skills do too. Thanks for sharing.
it's tough to show but I can guarantee you I wouldn't be out there with out it. it doesn't take much to make it happen. I'm 230lbs and surfing with only 750 on one side and maybe 350 on the other while holding a camera and taping. there's allot of push and forgiveness while I'm tapping.
awesome work!!!! the only question I have is about the using less weight. I would think if you kept your original sac weight set up but just centered everything out you would have a bigger wave yet. I did a decent job of reading thru the thread and dint really catch why you dropped the extra weight besides you dint need it anymore. curious if the wave was just big enough for you or junked out with the extra weight?
I've been asked to show some pictures of a comparable between no gates and gates. Its easier to make a video so here it is. Feel free to PM me is interested.
http://youtu.be/oCINO6POuK8
Your right. Once you get the weight ratio figured out you add equal amounts to both sides then you have to add weight to the front. This goes ok for a extra 500 then you have to decrease the ratio (less weight on the gate side) due to the gate being too far in the water and lot effecting the wake enough. I've been running the weight I've been posting because I keeps the floor clear of bags. If I only have two people in the boat its a little tough for me to surf and do anything but my kids do fine. A adult or two added makes things just fine for me. I'm 230lbs. Thanks for asking. Hope that helped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesse
Cool video. Someday when i have a V-drive, I'll likely do a surf gate install. But with a DD, it just doesn't seem like it's all that realistic since I don't have all the compartments for bags that v-drives have.Quote:
Originally Posted by CornRickey
well I guess it's just how you look at it. if you are loading your dd to surf, you can decrease the weight significantly with the gates and get the same results.
I wonder what I could pull off. As it is, I can get a surfable wave with the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by CornRickey
- 250 under rear seat
- 370 on surf side floor beside doghouse
- 750 on top of the 370 bag, as far back into the back seat as possible
- Passengers sitting middle/rear and observer seat.
- No bow weight, wake plate 3/4" down
- I have another little 150 bag I can throw wherever, but we haven't played with it too much.
So, with that setup, we're certainly listing. We run water to the rubrail to the first rear cleat when underway and also are about 4 to 6" below the rub rail at the rear corner at rest.
Our floor space then is most of what's in front of the observer seat, the floor on the non-surf side beside the doghouse, and a little spot of floor behind the doghouse (back/middle).
I'm wondering what a surfgate change would really look like. if anything I'd imagine it'd mean I could move the 370 to the non-surf side which would mean that all the floor on either side of the doghouse would then be gone, but the boat wouldn't be listing that much. DEFINITELY a trade off when I'm working with a DD. Of course I'd like to run less listed, but I'm not excited about giving up any more of my already limited space...
Thoughts? I'm totally open to discussion/suggestions from other boat owners...
well. displacement is displacement and displacement creates the wave. The lean creates the delay in convergence on the side that is high ( non surf side). The gates eliminate the need for the lean. that being said there is a need for some adding or subtracting of lean to adjust the depth of the gate in the water as it relates to how far the whole back of the boat is sitting in the water. In other words, since the height is the gate isn't adjustable, when you weight the boat heavily in the back evenly, the gate allows to much water to flow over its top so a decrease in water to the gate side is needed to compensate.
As for your boat specifically, I don't know for sure but physics don't change and I couldn't imagine it would not help. I ran a 750 surf side rear locker, 750 surf side floor and 1100 in front before to get a wake I could surf with little issues. Now I run 750 surf side rear locker and 350 noon surf side rear with the gate. nothing up front. I can get a bigger wake by adding 400 on the surface for and 600 in front but don't need it and it multiplies the time to switch sides by 10. I also have decreased my speed by 1.2mph and save noticeable gas.
You set up is similar to mine prior to gates.I was to throw a starting point at it is say leave the under seat weight. put the 750 on the floor between the rear seat and dog house, use your little bag to fine tune back and forth on t the rear seat till you get it figured out then place the 750 bag on thefloorin to replicate it. I'm surprised you don't use weight up front. You'll probably need to use the plate or the small bag to lengthen the pocket when you get to that pointQuote:
Originally Posted by trayson