Anyone look at installing SurfSwell on 21v or other older Supra?
You would need the 2014 Platform
SurfSwell kit
Lenco Helm controls
My Guess is it would cost 3 to 4K
Would it be worth it?
Sure would be fun to try!
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Anyone look at installing SurfSwell on 21v or other older Supra?
You would need the 2014 Platform
SurfSwell kit
Lenco Helm controls
My Guess is it would cost 3 to 4K
Would it be worth it?
Sure would be fun to try!
I think you could get the cost down to around 800 if it wasn't automated. just need some big tabs and some fabricating
I have been kicking this idea around I am looking at using lenco tabs and actuators they problem I see is the standard actuator only has a 2-1/4" stroke but they make one with 4-1/2 stroke but I can not find it on the internet with a tab kit ( I was looing at a kit with 9" wide and 12" long tab). With the 2-1/4" stroke using auto cad and depending on angle on the back of the boat where they are mounted I only can get about a 22 degree angle off the bottom of the boat with the 4-1/2 I can get about a 60 degree angle down. (supra is pushing there's down around 80 to 90 degrees I think).
In the next week or two I am going to mock this up out of wood and cardboard to see what kind of angles I can get with a 21v. I am afraid the plateform is going to be in the way with the longer stroke actuators. I want to make sure they can get up out of the way for wakeboarding.
Lenco also has a switch and controller that has led indicator where each tab is and a second power lead that when it lose power it will automatic raise the tabs all the way up.
what about having the actuator going to a cam, thereby extending the throw?
Wolff, I have been working on the same thing as you mentioned. I too am looking at the Lenco led switch route. The actuator that you mentioned with the longer stroke is the #15059-001 and #15060-001. What have you came up with for tab size/design? I am planning on making my own tab like the MasterCraft Gen2 tab. Check them out and let me know what you think.
Might try copying the Moomba Auto Flow design.
http://b24s.ch/img/ins/Moomba-Mojo-A...1419339988.jpg
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...e3e8e570e9.jpg
I bought the edge mound 12"x 9" I only went 9" wide due to mounting the actuator with where the platform is mounted.
I am planning on getting my boat move from storage to my shop either tonight or tomorrow. only thing I am missing right now for the system is the controller. (it is on back order)
I went with the 4-1/4" stroke actuator and it takes a special controller same price as the other one but programmed different.
I wanted something to use as a base and I got the abilities to modify or make different shaped tabs but I was going to try the standard one out first.
I have check out the mastercraft tabs. I surfed a x10 and like the wake than look at the tab here is a pic and that is how I also based my size of tab
here is a pic of the tab on a x10 (21' mastercraft) and that was what I was thinking for my 21v
Attachment 15384
any developments?
I have been working on my tabs I got the boat in the shop my haul has a 1/2" step on the back where the tab will mount. so half the tab will have a aluminum spacer a friend is drilling and taping the spacer so it will mount on the boat and the tab will mount to them.
one of my problems is I can not mount the actuator high enough due to the swim plateform. So I am going to make some custom plates to go on the bottom with some type of fine on the bottom to direct the water.
we plan on going to the STL Boat show the 1st week of march and measure the different setup other boats have.
A guy on the Moomba site is testing a tab set up right now he is having a problem with the surf side tab affect the wake when it is all they way up.
we got 8" of snow in IL today and I will not be do any water testing till april or may.
I'm probably going to make my own setup in the spring. I too have a problem with clearance between the swim deck and bottom of boat so mounting it like the moomba design probably won't work. I'm looking at maybe using one of my swim platform brackets as a mounting point for the top of the actuator there by achieving an angle similar to the swell system.
Not sure if you have seen this but these guys have a pretty cool setup. http://www.gosurfassist.com/home-page.html
I'm going to have the guys over at Gosurfassist do the install on there surf-tabs. Do to me being overseas until mid June im not in any hurry, but I will for sure leave some feedback on here when I get home. By the way they will be going on a 2006 Supra 21v.
Very interested in the gosurfassist but for $3500 + a new platform 1k, Considering a used 2014 SC, SA.
Would like to see full detailed pictures of before and after and write up.
I agree after its all said and done its going to be close too 5 grand worth of upgrades, but that is still cheaper then $40 grand to upgrade to a new SC or SA. Ill be home in mid June and will for sure take some pictures of the install and wave.
Ya 40K is allot of dough!
I was thinking of buying used or demo to take the sting out of the deal, but still 20 to 30k.
Im having the go surf assist installed on May 22nd.Ill update everyone when I get it back....
Swamplandkarl- My boat will be in Wichita Falls on May 18th for the install. You will probably see it up there. Black and tan 2006 21v. I am really looking forward to getting these things installed on top of the new surf swim platform.
I cant wait...Ryan and his wife came by my house about a week ago and looked at my boat, great folks, I live outside of Shreveport about 5 hrs from Wichita so its a little haul for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rakkasanscout187
I was going to install it myself but he advised against it being it will require some custom brackets so I agreed to go to him to let them do it and we can take it to the lake there to test before I make the trip home.
Ryan had a whole kit with him and it is pretty impressive and is very well made.
I wanted to take it that day as well but I think there slammed with a lot of installs....
He is about 5 hours from me as well. Ryan has been awesome to work with and has been very patient with me. Due to me being overseas, trying to figure out the logistics of getting the boat to him has taken work. Luckily I've got a good friend back home that has volunteered to take the boat to him and pick it up. Ryan said he would need it for about four days because he is going to have to make some custom mounting brackets to make the tabs sit flush. I really wish I was home to take it to him. So I could take the boat out with Ryan. Do you know if the kit will come with the wireless transfer remote or is that extra?
I'm not sure if it comes with it or not, I'll ask when I'm over there...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rakkasanscout187
I'm just hoping we have some good weather that week...
it is possible. I had just finished fabrication and attaching to my 2001 supra launch.
im having trouble uploading the pictures
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Originally Posted by carbonsurf
Here. I made these this spring. Attachment 15705Attachment 15705
i'm very interested to see how this works out on your hull. Please post after your sea trials.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmino03
It should work fine. Finishing up a few final things and hopefully by the weekend test it. It should work fine. The principle is to delay convergence. The boat already has a really nice wave. Size and shape. This hopefully will make it so I will not have to weight the boat to one side. Makes things for convenientQuote:
Originally Posted by 2500HD
As far as control system I'm using the lenco trim switch with the led indicator lights. Eventually I'm going to make a control system using a frequency analyzer to pick up the paddle wheel wave form. Put a pot on it to adjust the the frequency for them to kick another circuit to auto retract them over 15 mph.
I have videos coming. It works perfect. Both sides and switches fast. Awesome push and size running 400lb stock tank with an 800 lb sac on each side on the engine. Only two people in the boat. Attachment 15712Attachment 15713Quote:
Originally Posted by 2500HD
The pics are just from 400lbs stock ballast filled
Looks pretty sweet, Your design is exactly what i was talking about earlier in this thread. Glad it works well.
Was able to get my boat over to Ryan's at gosurfassist last weekend and the system works awesome, we are having major rain fall here so i'm not able to get it out to play with it but will post the results soon......Quote:
Originally Posted by Swamplandkarl
we did however take it out before I left his shop and the wind was blowing 20mph+ blowing the white caps in the boat but still made a very nice wave....
Swamplandkarl- Talked to Ryan the other day and he was telling me about a Supra they did that put out a OUTSTANDING wave. My boat was up there while your was there. Looking forward to see some pictures of the wave. Congrats!
I seen your boat there, I believe they were working on it when I left......you will be pleased..:-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rakkasanscout187
Should be done today and a buddy of mine is headed down tomorrow to pick it up for me. What Supra do you have?
2010 sunsport 20vQuote:
Originally Posted by Rakkasanscout187
Here's a pic to give you an idea of the wave size. Attachment 15843Quote:
Originally Posted by 2500HD
Wave looks outstanding!
you have any video of your 20 with the surf assist?Quote:
Originally Posted by Swamplandkarl
We have major flooding here in the Shreveport area and the river and most lakes are closed...I've only used it one day and the wave was perfect and have not been able to get back out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zim
I will get some video when we are able to get on some water and post it...
Thats a nice wave! Out of curiosity, how were you able to feed the cable from the actuator to the switch, did you route it through the transom? Also, what actuators did you use? I was looking online and saw these: http://www.harleerod.com/insta-trim-...ceted_search=0Quote:
Originally Posted by tmino03
However, it appears that the application is designed to be mounted on the transom, and like most I don't have room to do so? I like your setup, and how you mounted it to the swim step bracket.
those are hydraulic actuators, i would probably only use electric actuators like lenco or bennett bolt. Mainly because the hydraulic lines would be difficult to deal with and usually kinda messy.
Copy that, it might simplify things to just use electrical actuators. I just liked how they came as a kit with everything needed, but the pump and mounting it muddies things a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2500HD
This is what i was looking at before i spent all my money fixing a cracked headQuote:
Originally Posted by devovino
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LENCO-MARINE...dcfd09&vxp=mtr