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    Quote Originally Posted by jtryon View Post
    when are you dropping it in for a test?? can't wait to see the results.
    I had hoped to get out on the water Sunday for Father's Day, but it rained. And again it's raining today. Stupid Pacific NW.

    Hopefully I'll get out on the water on Wed or Thurs.
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    Okay, went out for the first night of testing. Bottom line is that it works with some minor concessions. I can most certainly get a totally surfable wave with even weighting and my surf blades. The concessions so far is that it seems like I'm lacking a little bit of push. it's not a deal breaker, as I can certainly surf it. But it seemed noticeable to me.

    BUT, the driveability of the boat is vastly improved. I was able to drop the speed at which the boat needed to go by a full MPH. The boat at rest is comfortable and we could have lunch on the boat without it being a listed PITA. We can sit at rest and have a barge go by and not get water over the trunk with the rollers. And we can switch from regular to goofy in 10 seconds flat.

    Sorry for all the shots with the sun in your eyes. We tried to run upstream with all of them to be consistent.

    Pretty much all these were done with the perfect pass set at 9.7 mph. we filled the 370 tube sack in the trunk. Then we pretty much filled a 750 and put it on the surf side on the floor beside the doghouse to start a bit listed and closer to "normal" (minus another 500 or so that we usually double stack with). So EVERYTHING has the 370 under the rear seat. In addition to that, I did the following configurations:


    750 surf side no blade


    750 on the surf side with 3" blade deployment
    This improved the look of the wave. Not dramatically but noticeable for sure.


    750 on surf side with 1" blade deployment


    750's on both sides with no blades.
    Is anyone surprised that this looks like crap? I didn't think so.
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    So then we went on of course to deploy the gates with the boat equally weighted.
    Again, sorry for the pic quality. I never thought about the sun.

    3 inch blade deployment equal weighting


    I believe that this is the 1" deployment with equal weighting. Not 100% sure though.


    Goofy side with 3" blade deployment
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    And finally a couple surf shots.


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    Russ thought it was a pretty decent wave on the goofy side. He didn't feel my "decrease in push" criticisms but it was also his first time on my boat... Sadly we had to cut his run short as the water in the gas made it so we couldn't continue to pull at surf speeds.

    And here is a picture from 10 days ago with a slammed/listed boat with my 750's double stacked on the surf side and water running at the rub rail halfway up the hull while underway.


    Sadly our testing got cut short because the surf starboard side gate had the unfortunate side effect when deployed of shooting a little spray of water right at the gas tank breather vent. And I ended up with the old "water in the fuel" thing and my engine wasn't happy with me under load. I guess relocating that vent has just moved WAY up on my priority list.

    In summary, I feel like these NSS style blades can get a surfable wave with an evenly weighted boat. It's very comparable to the quality of wave I'd get with listing my boat with my two 750's double stacked and the top one 1/2 to 3/4 full. What I did feel is that my wave seemed a little lacking in push compared to what I remember it being with a heavily listed boat. BUT, the usability and drive-ability and comfort of being in the boat is VASTLY improved even with 2 huge sacks taking up the floor. So I'll continue to refine it and dial things in and overall I'd call it a success.

    Is it perfect? of course not. Does it make my direct drive have a wake comparable to a perfectly dialed in v-drive, no. But it's giving me more options and is certainly something that opens whole new doors of opportunity with my boat.
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    Man, you need a V-drive! With as much as you surf, you'd be so much happier. Nice work though.
    -Mike
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zim View Post
    Man, you need a V-drive! With as much as you surf, you'd be so much happier. Nice work though.
    Oh, I agree. Just have to find the right one that I can afford. I am dreaming of a 2005+ Supra Launch 21v. I love the playpen with the front seats that wrap into the bow & have flip up backrests. Also love the rear seating that wraps all the way to the driver seat.

    Probably in a couple years...
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    The 21 seems to have a hard time dialing in a good surf wave. Great wakeboard wake, but look at the 20/22/24 if you want a better surf wave.
    -Mike
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zim View Post
    The 21 seems to have a hard time dialing in a good surf wave. Great wakeboard wake, but look at the 20/22/24 if you want a better surf wave.
    Yeah. But I am hung up on getting that seating config.
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    They all have playpen options. 24 has the wrap seating also... not sure about the 22

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    So, I relocated my fuel breather and drained the 22 gallons out of my tank and changed my fuel filter. Filled with new gas and once the bad gas was out of the lines, we were good to go.


    Again, we filled the 370 tube sack under the rear seat and had the pair of 750's on either side of the doghouse. The boat sat mostly flat with a slight (couple inches) list to the port. We fine tuned with the placement of the rear seat spotter.

    Bottom line is that I won't go back to listing. Today I had all the push I needed. I was riding my Ronix Caption 5'8 because just as we were leaving the dock my Koal illumanati dropped and cracked the tip of one of the tails and needs some fiberglass repair love.

    I was able to ride way further back in the pocket. I was able to carve and shred the wave just fine. We were able to drop our surf speed from being in the 10 to 11 range down to being between 8.3 and 9 mph. The boat isn't working as hard and isn't slammed as much. We had some big rollers go by us and took no water over the stern. We have zero issues with dunking the nose either. With the ballast full, we can easily chill out and have lunch and be COMFORTABLE in the boat. Also, we can drive sitting down. It was bad enough before that I either sat on the top of the backrest of the chair, or just stood up to drive. Swapping from regular to goofy was literally a 10 to 20 second changeover.

    Since we're not having to double stack bags, we were able to get 2 ballast pumps going at the same time to fill the 750's while my reversible impeller pump took care of the tube sack under the rear seat.

    There is no adverse handling of the boat when going back to get the rider. If you turn against the blade, you kind of notice it but honestly it's not even something you notice unless you're looking for it. The boat comes out of the hole just fine and the wave is clean as soon as Perfect pass has you at surf speed.

    We'll get some pics posted up but I would do this again in a heartbeat. Some of you might poo-poo what I've done, but the overall enjoyability of our boat just took a huge leap. I'm going to chalk this up as a success.

    None of the pics are on my phone, so I only have a quick mirror shot.
    2008 Moomba Mobius XLV. Monster Cargo Bimini, and more mods to come...

    1992 Supra Sunsport. **SOLD** 2k pounds ballast, Surf System, Blue LED's everywhere, decent audio system.


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