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    Quote Originally Posted by trayson View Post
    Rolling eyes. Reduced turn times? maybe on your airline, but I've watched over the last few years as they've padded the flight times for my son's normal GEG to PDX flight so they can still claim to be on-time despite delays. for a 45 minute flight, I've seen them quoting times that are approaching an hour and a half. It's pretty obvious they're padding their flight times to incorporate delays.

    My son fly's 4 flight legs per month as an unaccompanied minor. he started doing this when he was 5 and is now going on his 4th year as an Alaska Airlines MVP. So yeah, we've been around the block on this. First of all there's all sorts of rules and procedures in place to address all the situations you worry about. Kids can't fly solo until a certain age. they need to be escorted through security. escorts have to stay there until the bird is in the air. UM's can't fly connections until they reach a certain age (I think it's 8 or maybe 9 at the latest as my son can fly connections). They don't let kids fly after a certain time of night when it's the last flight. They do get escorted to and from the plane, and are with the gate agents when they arrive (if the parents are late picking the kid up). But yeah, while flying they are just like any other passenger chillin' in their seat. Although they typically seat all the UM's near the flight crew and usually group all the UM's together so it's easier for the crews to keep tabs on the UM's.

    My son flys his regular flight from PDX to GEG. We've done ONE connecting flight through seattle when his normal flight was cancelled for weather and we had to rebook the following morning. Sadly his PDX to SEA flight was delayed and he missed his SEA to GEG flight. They took him into a special room for the UM's waiting for connections and he got all excited telling me about all the snacks and treats he got while waiting on comfy couches.

    After I think Age 13 you don't have to do the UM and honestly, I'd just get them a cell phone and some kind of debit/credit card rather than dealing with UM procedures and fees once they're old enough to not be required to fly UM.

    So here's the deal. You book your flight like normal, but in the reservation screen it'll ask how many children and adults. when you mark one child, and zero adults, it'll prompt and ask if the child is flying alone and ask their age. then it will give ONLY the flights that your age child is allowed to fly on as choices.

    When you fly UM, you need to go to the counter when you get to the airport (leave extra time for this! because if you're not an MVP you're likely to wait 30+ minutes to get through this line). At the counter, you'll give them a form that you've filled out (or get a form at the counter) that gives your info as their escort and the info of the escort meeting them on the other end. You will get a "standby" dummy boarding pass that gets you through security and the kid will get their boarding pass with the "guardian accompaniment form". they ususally get a sticker or lanyard to identify them as a UM.

    You both go through TSA and you take them to their gate. you check them in with the gate agent. The gate agents typically have the UM's board before everyone else and they are escorted by a gate agent onto the plane. they are first to board and last to get off. You're supposed to wait until the plane is in the air before you can leave the gate area.

    On the other end, the escort will go to the counter and get their escort "boarding pass". the escort will to through TSA and be waiting at the gate for the UM that's escorted off the plane. the receiving escort will have to show ID that matches with the people that are able to pick him up on the guardian accompaniment form.

    It's a very thorough process.

    The various airlines charge different fees for UM's. Alaska is the cheapest at $25 each way, payable when you check in at the counter. SWA is $50 each way, payable in full for the roundtrip when you book. Other airlines are often much more. For example, Continental rapes you at $100 each way for their UM fees. United is freaking ridiculous at $150 each way!!!! Also, for Alaska airlines, once the child reaches MVP status (30 flight legs in a year), then they waive all the UM fees and we also get free checked bags, and get to go through the various MVP express lines in the airport.

    LMK if you have any questions. I am at the airport probably 40 times a year doing this. In fact, I'm heading to PDX tonight to pick up my son this evening.
    Sorry made you roll eyes but I do this for a living domestic and internationally and when the wx brings a entire region to a stop things can fall thru the cracks. You can have to divert for MX or WX and then have a issue that does not allow you to depart and be stuck in a unplanned city. Glad you have had a good experience and hope that continues but things do happen. Just giving my opinion like asked.
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    Have you witnessed that happening with kids around my age, where they get stuck in a city they weren't planning and had to spend the night there? If so, did you happen to see how that got handled? My thought is if that happened for some reason, I would think we could arrange something s far as getting him into a hotel or something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okie Boarder View Post
    Have you witnessed that happening with kids around my age, where they get stuck in a city they weren't planning and had to spend the night there? If so, did you happen to see how that got handled? My thought is if that happened for some reason, I would think we could arrange something s far as getting him into a hotel or something like that.
    Okie,
    First I am not trying to scare you, 99 % of the time things are good. I have seen terminals full of people who simply had no place to go because there was simply no place to go for lodging for days. Go in to this with your eyes open if you think when something like that happens they have the personnel to put one person with somebody? Sometimes we have to divert to a city not served by our company for fuel or MX and some have been stuck there. I am not the kind of Captain that holds his people on the tarmac for 6 to 10 hours hoping to depart but they are out there. I would look at the city pairs, weather for that time of year and number of connections and make plans that way if any way possibly I would pay extra for a direct flight. Lastly I would try and get a refundable ticket, so if the day before the wx looks bad you have options. I do not mean a regular frontal line I am talking about wx systems like the one in the first of march this year. That one stuck me in SFO for three extra days as they simply cancled my flghts for three days. Worked out for me as I did not have to work and got paid double time to eat, drink and walk around SFO but like I said things can happen. I did not even operate as they flew me back on another airline. Also, ask them in writing the what ifs and if any 3 rd party people will be responsible for your child like vendors for services at the airport, many use service people like wakenhut for things like this. I would want only the specific employees of the airline I choose to have access to my child. Also, if you cannot avoid a connection if possible contact someone you trust in the city of the connection, who could help if needed. Good Luck
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    Good info, thanks. Our youngest will be taking a direct flight from OKC to Vegas in late June and coming back in late July. Our oldest will connect in Phoenix on the way out, in May, and Denver on the way back, in August. There may not be too much of an issue, but it is good for us to plan for some of the odd occurrences.

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    Also keep in mind that if there's a weather risk significant enough to cause the concerns Hiflyr is talking about, they won't let the kids fly alone. I've had it happen before where the weather was "good enough" to take off, but there was at least a reasonable concern about the possibility of having to divert. They simply didn't let the kids fly. The airlines don't want UM's stranded, so they err on the side of conservatism.

    Yes, there are unforeseen things than can happen. But when there's the opportunity to exercise foresight, the airlines won't take a chance and let the kids up in the air.


    Alaska airlines even has a winter restriction where they won't let UM's fly into Sun Valley ID during the winter season. They just won't allow the risk.
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    Excellent posts. Thought it was going to get heated, but everyone kept their level heads.
    As far as cell phones. Also make sure they take a charger. Stuck at airports, they can find a wall outlet (sometimes depending on people) and charge.
    Make sure they take every opportunity to charge that thing even when it is 80%. Never know. Turn it off/airport mode if they don't need it so it is avail when needed. Have them text you when the get on the plane at their seat so you can help keep track. (Do this today with wife. Txt thru security, on plane, on ground...).
    Like the debit card idea. Lastly, if they haven't flown before, just tell them to enjoy the "experience". I love airports (usually because I am going somewhere fun). People watching. Seeing folks wearing shorts and flip flops going to Pittsburgh in Jan because they come from someplace warm. (maybe not, but definitely underdressed for the destination.).
    Probably more "stress" on you than them...Glad they get to get the experience they are traveling to. And youngest thru Vegas? Make sure he knows those machines in the isles aren't video games. It was cool seeing the casino buildings beside the runway. (Never been in one, never even down the road they are on.)
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    LOL about the machines. My parents will be picking him up right at the gate, so he won't be walking by them alone, but good point.

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    Well, both boys have now flown to their destinations. Our oldest left in late May, spent about a week in CA with family and has been in WY ever since. He's working hard and going through some growing pains in that area. My in-laws have already had to have a few talks with him about working with a joyful heart, not complaining and not worrying about what other people are doing, getting paid, etc. The youngest left yesterday and had a good flight. He is already enjoying some time with the family and doing some special things with my parents. He had some down time this afternoon and sent my wife a text saying "Mommy, I miss you and I want to come home". We figured he would deal with a bit more homesickness than the older one. We were very happy with the way their flights went and how they each dealt with it. It sounds like the flight attendants did give them some special attention, as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okie Boarder View Post
    Have you witnessed that happening with kids around my age, where they get stuck in a city they weren't planning and had to spend the night there? If so, did you happen to see how that got handled? My thought is if that happened for some reason, I would think we could arrange something s far as getting him into a hotel or something like that.
    I would call the respective airline customer service line and do a little role playing with them. Spell out a scenario as you see it playing out and ask them how they handle it. I have seen it where the airline books a hotel room for the youth and then has a representative of the airline basically stay on the clock and babysit them while they are in the hotel until they can get on a flight to continue travels.
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    Good thought.

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