I've been told that you still need to list your boat, just not as much, even w/ the suck gate. I was out last weekend on a friends Wake Setter, and even with the surf gate, he would still list the boat a bit. But, that's not a personal testimony.... It seems South Texas is going to be rainy all week, so I'm thinking about making one in the next few days and giving it a test. I'm hoping for a longer wave w/o sacrificing push...